Need help with IA5 (97W)

[dssfan2007]

Hello all FTA buddies, I need your help in finding Telstar5 (97W) satellite.
I have been struggling with this sat for almost a month trying every weekend but failed to catch it. Here is what I got:
33" KU band dish
Invacom Quad Univeral QPH031 LNBF
Digipower Motor SG-2100
Diseqc 4-1 switch
Viewsat Ultra VS2000 receiver
I am in OK and my lat.=35.342deg N; long.=97.487W; so my set up on the motor elevation is 52.24 or 35.3degrees and my dish elevation is 24.4 (based on the motor setup instruction)
And here is what I set up on the receiver:
Satellite: IA5 (97W)
LNB Type: Universal
LNB Hi: 9750
LNB Lo: 10600
TP Freq.: 11966
Diseqc: P1
Motor: USALS
Legacy SW: 4.1Dish1
I got about 85% signal and the quality fluctuated from 0 to 100%, not stable although I tried to tilt the dish up and down by hand to get the peak signal quality on the receiver menu screen. I never got a single channel with auto scan or blind scan.
I did get the 119W on the Circular port so I knew that I was on the right arch so I did not adjust the dish up and down any more and let the motor swing the dish west to east to aim at 97W but still could not make the quality stable and never had a single channel on the auto scan.
I swap to another receiver set up suggested by another forum member as follows:
Satellite: IA5 (97W)
LNB Type: Legacy Quad LNB1
LNB Hi: 10750
22KHz: ON
TP Freq.: 11749
Diseqc: P1
Motor: USALS
Legacy SW: 4.1Dish1
Still no luck!
One time I connected directly from the LNB to the motor without going through the switch and set the Legacy SW as NONE but still could not find 97W.
Anyone has a clue what I did wrong here? Any suggestion is welcome and I really appreciate your help.
Thanks,
"Desperate FTA Fan"

[satnutwillb]

I'm just taking a guess until someone more experienced with that lnb type chimes in,but have you tried setting the high to 10600 and lo 9750? Good luck.

[rainman]

with the QPH031 lnbf you should set your receiver to standard LNB with a lo setting of 10750. once you are where you think the sat is install a active TP freq see lyngsat for the numbers.then slightly adjust east and west up and down to get a lock remember very slow small movements are required.

[satnutwillb]

Originally Posted by rainman

with the QPH031 lnbf you should set your receiver to standard LNB with a lo setting of 10750. once you are where you think the sat is install a active TP freq see lyngsat for the numbers.then slightly adjust east and west up and down to get a lock remember very slow small movements are required.

He stated that he had a universal lnbf and I always thought the settings for those were hi 10600 and lo 9750.If you don't mind explaining, how do you tell if the difference between this type of lnbf is universal or standard 10750? I've thought about getting a standard 10750 lnbf before,but when I see the 12.2 to 12.7,even though it also lists 11.7 to 12.2,that confuses me as to whether it's a standard or universal.Thanks in advance.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by satnutwillb

He stated that he had a universal lnbf and I always thought the settings for those were hi 10600 and lo 9750.If you don't mind explaining, how do you tell if the difference between this type of lnbf is universal or standard 10750? I've thought about getting a standard 10750 lnbf before,but when I see the 12.2 to 12.7,even though it also lists 11.7 to 12.2,that confuses me as to whether it's a standard or universal.Thanks in advance.

the 12.2 to 12.7 is for circular sats have nothing to do with the linear sats that are 11.7 to 12.2. with this lnb you need to set the linear sats with a LO of 10750 and on the circular sats you would need to set the LO at 11250.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by satnutwillb

He stated that he had a universal lnbf and I always thought the settings for those were hi 10600 and lo 9750...

Rainman responded to everything else, but re the above comment about universal LO freqs.... you are right re what you said, however dssfan was wrong about the lnbf type. It is not a universal, it is a standard.

[satnutwillb]

Thanks rainman,.If I'm understanding this right,the SNH031 would be universal,because it lists 10.7 to 12.75 and the QPH-031 only goes as low as 11.7,regardless if it goes to 12.2 or 12.7,so that would be considered a standard with a 10750 for the ku setting?I notice on the Hispasat birds the freqs.go as high as 12732 and down to 11466.Could you use the QPH-031 on the freqs 11.7 and up?Edited:Thanks for the info wejones.I always thought the 12.7 made it a universal,but if I got it clear,it would have to be 10.7 and up for it to be universal.Correct?

[rainman]

Originally Posted by satnutwillb

Thanks rainman,.If I'm understanding this right,the SNH031 would be universal,because it lists 10.7 to 12.75 and the QPH-031 only goes as low as 11.7,regardless if it goes to 12.2 or 12.7,so that would be considered a standard with a 10750 for the ku setting?I notice on the Hispasat birds the freqs.go as high as 12732 and down to 11466.Could you use the QPH-031 on the freqs 11.7 and up?

yep it should work fine on the 11700 and above. to get below 11700 then you would need a universal lnbf.

[satnutwillb]

Thanks rainman and wejones,I think I'm about to figure this out.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by satnutwillb

Thanks rainman,.If I'm understanding this right,the SNH031 would be universal,because it lists 10.7 to 12.75 and the QPH-031 only goes as low as 11.7,regardless if it goes to 12.2 or 12.7,so that would be considered a standard with a 10750 for the ku setting?I notice on the Hispasat birds the freqs.go as high as 12732 and down to 11466.Could you use the QPH-031 on the freqs 11.7 and up?Edited:Thanks for the info wejones.I always thought the 12.7 made it a universal,but if I got it clear,it would have to be 10.7 and up for it to be universal.Correct?

Even a standard 10750 will work up to 12.7, however those freqs above 12.2 are usually circular, so the reception will be poor, but I'm not sure about the Hispasat things.
But my concept of the term universal is not so much the frequency coverage, but the fact that the universal lnbfs have 2 LO freqs that you switch between using 22khz. The QPH-031 is really 2 {or 4} standard lnbs one for linear 11.7 and up, and one for 12.2 and up, circular, each on separate lines rather than on an internal 22khz switch. ( I said "and up" because these lnbfs generally say that they have a 500 MHz range, but usually cover an additional 500 MHz on the high end. The lnbfs probably cover quite a bit on the low end too, but no receivers allow you to tune lower.)

[satnutwillb]

Thanks for the explanation wejones.I'm used to working with feedhorns with separate c and ku lnbs with the 11.7 to 12.2 range for the ku lnb.I think I've seen lnbfs listed as standard with the 11.7 to 12.2 range,but when I see them listed up to the 12.7 range,that always made me wonder if it was a universal or standard.I think I have it sorted out now by checking for the 10.7and higher range,making it a universal if I am correct.

[yuzhanin]

It looks like we are getting more and more members with Viewsat Ultras here. At this rate, Sadoun will have to start carrying the brand.

Originally Posted by dssfan2007

Hello all FTA buddies, I need your help in finding Telstar5 (97W) satellite.
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I am in OK and my lat.=35.342deg N; long.=97.487W; so my set up on the motor elevation is 52.24 or 35.3degrees and my dish elevation is 24.4 (based on the motor setup instruction)

Not sure what the 52.24 number is, but if I am correct, you should be using the latitude scale on your motor and set it to 35.3 (unless you are using modified numbers - check with wejones).

Originally Posted by dssfan2007

I got about 85% signal and the quality fluctuated from 0 to 100%, not stable

If you are in the right part of the sky for the 97W satellite at all, you might be pointed at a Direct TV satellite (presumably 101W) to get that weird signal reading. If you got to that location via USALS navigation, make sure you entered the correct latitude and longitude for your location into the receiver. If yes, then you need to swing your motor a bit to the east (and probably adjust the elevation).

Originally Posted by dssfan2007

Satellite: IA5 (97W)
LNB Type: Legacy Quad LNB1 ----- Change to Standard
LNB Hi: 10750
22KHz: ON ---- Does not matter if you are using a Diseqc 4-1 switch
TP Freq.: 11749
Diseqc: P1 ---- Make sure your L output on the LNB is really connected to Port 1 of the switch. Try connecting it to a different port (and adjusting this setting as appropriate).
Motor: USALS
Legacy SW: 4.1Dish1 --- Most likely, this should be None if you are using a generic switch.

Originally Posted by dssfan2007

One time I connected directly from the LNB to the motor without going through the switch and set the Legacy SW as NONE but still could not find 97W.

Try the other L output on your LNB. One of them could be bad. I have the same LNB, and the signal is stronger on one output than the other. Again, Legacy SW setting should most likely be None.

You might want to try a 22 KHz switch instead of the DiSeqC switch. L output goes to the ON side, C goes to the OFF side (or vice-versa). Set the 22KHz setting in the menu appropriately. I think Sadoun offers these in his motorized packages.

[saigonmp3]

I think something is not right with Ivacom LNB. You need to switch the cable around between 4 connections, and change your receiver to Uninversal 09750-10750. I have set my receiver like that, and it's working fine.