Installation of HH90 motor

[ftanewbie0626]

I am trying to do the installtion of the HH90 motor.
My location is the city of Los Angeles in California. Here is the information from my location.
City State Longitude Latitude Dish Elevation Antenna Elevation

LA CA 117.8 W 33.7 39.5 39.5

The True Sat is SatMex5 at 116.8 W
The True South is: 166.5 W ( 180 - 13.5 )

Here is the Pansat 2500A receiver set up:

LNB Type Universal
LNB Local Freq 9750/10600
DiSeqC Off
Skew 0
TP 1204H3.000
Position Setting USALS
Satellite Position 116.8 W ( SatMex 5 )
Longitude 117.8 W
Latitude 33.7 N

Base on the above set up information, I got 84% in Level. However, no matter what I try I still have 0% on quality.

Could you please let me know what did I do wrong in the way I set up the HH90 motor ?


Please Help.




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[swampthang7]

you might not have done anything wrong...how do you know which satellite you are pointed towards?

[ftanewbie0626]

Base on the longitude of LA which 117.8 W. I see SatMex 5 at 116.8 W is the closest South satellite from LA.

[vj9999]

It might be that you are just slightly off. Did you try nudging the whole motore on the pole east/west a little bit? Did you try adjusting elevation of the dish (not motor) up/down by just a little bit?

[swampthang7]

you cannot rely on numbers alone.

[ftanewbie0626]

vj9999
I did try to adjust the elevation from 20 to 40 degree. I did also try to adjust the azimuth from left to rigth. That's why I came to the point that I have 84% on level. However, I still have 0% on quality. I am not sure what else can I do to make the HH90 motor work with the pansat 2500A.
Please advice. Thanks for all of your helps.

[vj9999]

The way I would do it, using USALS drive your motor to the sat. Move the motor on pole to where you think south is. Start adjusting dish elevation up and down slowly, allowing the receiver to lock in on the signal. IF you don't get anything, move the the whole setup just a little east or west (this is very sensitive because even the smallest movement could move it few degrees). Repeat adjusting the elevation slovly to get a lock. Repat until you get a lock or get too frustrated (or obviously go too far east/west).

This works for me. I had problems too when I first set my dish up, but now I can take my whole setup down and put it back up in 15 minutes and get a lock

[ftanewbie0626]

vj9999,
I have done adjusting the dish elevation up and down slowly from 20 to 40 degree, and I also have adjusted the azimuth from E to W. However, all I can get is the 84% on the level signal and 0% on the quality. I am not sure what else can do. Please advice.

[pmb1010]

Let's double check your numbers:

117.8W
33.7N

Set your motor's bracket to 33.7 (and LEAVE it there)

Calculate "P" from Sadoun's website (for your LAT/LONG) = 50.8

Set your dish's elevation bracket for HH90:

EL = P - (45 - 33.7)
EL = 50.8 - 11.3
EL of dish = 39.5

I'd set it at 40 to start.
Set motor at "Zero" (center point).
Use compass, line up dish&motor&lnb for 167 (180-13)
Snug bolts a little but not tight (allow for adjustment)
Use USALS to move to your "southmost" Sat.

Adjust motor side to side, and dish elevation in baby step (1/10") increments until you get some quality reading. Forget about the "signal" level. Background noise can throw that off.

Make SURE you have active transponder on the setup screen when doing this adjustment.

Good luck.

[ftanewbie0626]

pmb1010,
Make SURE you have active transponder active transponder on the setup screen when doing this adjustment.
Do you mean the screen where I can see the image of the level and the image of the quality in % ?

Thank you pmb1010.

[pmb1010]

Originally Posted by ftanewbie0626

pmb1010,
Do you mean the screen where I can see the image of the level and the image of the quality in % ?

YES. You are on the setup screen, and have Satmex 5 (your south sat) selected, and you've used USALS to move it there. Now you need to find the spot where you can cycle thru the transponders to pick a one to use (do not "scan" yet), but just before...

This is when you need active strong transponder to find a signal. I can't get Satmex 5 due to tree in the way, maybe someone else here can offer up a transponder freq for SatMex5 thats good for this procedure...

[ftanewbie0626]

After I finish reading almost all messages related to the HH set up. I am finally be able to capture 60% quality and 90% level on the 119 bird.
I still have some questions that I need help from the pro. Admin, Sadoun and Dts expert could you help me please.
Here are the information related to my HH90 & pansat 2500A set up.
Locate in Orange County California:
Logitude is 118.5
Latitude is 34.4
Azimuth is 180
True South is 165
True South satellite is Echo 7 at 119 W
My dish elevation is 50. For some reasons, I cannot have a good sat finder beep if I move the antenna up& down away from 50.
Using the tp 5 ( 12282V20.000 ) of the 119 W bird, I am able to have 90% level and 60% quality. However, all channels on that tp are scramble since they belong to dish network. I couldn't find the Nasa channel. I am not sure why ?
I have a Fortec universal lnb, and an ariza 30'' dish.
After I lock the position of the 119 W which my south satellite, I try to look for SatMex 5 at 116.8 W using USAL. I saw the antenna moves to another position where I can have 90% level on that bird. However, I have 0% on the quality no matter what tp I am using on that bird. I am not sure what can I do here to get some acceptable quality on that bird.
According to the HH90 motor manual, once I am able to point the HH90 to the true south satellite ( 119 W ). I will be able to point the motor to another satellite using USAL without any need to re-adjust the satellite dish again. It doesn't sound right in my case.
My last try was going to the 110 W bird using USAL. There I am able to get about 90% level and 59% quality. However, I couldn't store the USAL information on this bird. Every time I try to store the information on this bird base on the a tp that can have acceptable % in quality, I first heard the dish move, and right after that I lost all % quality that I have before trying to store USAL info from the 110 W bird.
It's been more than a week I try to make the HH90 motor work with the pansat 2500A receiver. I still couldn't figure it out.
Please advice.

[vj9999]

Echostar 119 uses ciruclar polarization. Universal LNB will only get few transponders (that's why you didn't get NASA).

Don't know much about pansat, but Fortec when it was first released had a problem with moving dish on its own and in wrong direction. This was fixed in later firmware upgrades. Pansat and Fortec are almost identical so my guess would be that it migh be a firmware issue.

[ftanewbie0626]

vj9999, do you why I couldn't get an acceptable quality on SatMex 5 bird after I use USAL to move my dish from 119 W bird to SatMex 5. I could hear the loud beep from my satellite finder when change transponder on that bird. However no matter how I adjust the antenna either from left to right or up-down, I still have 0% in quality. Please advice. :cry:

[pmb1010]

Originally Posted by ftanewbie0626

I could hear the loud beep from my satellite finder when change transponder on that bird.

Can't say for sure, but I thought I read somewhere that a sat finder will not pass the signal thru itself. Are you saying you have the finder between the box and the dish?

For a goof, take the sat finder out of line and run the coax line from the dish/motor directly to the Pansat box...

[ftanewbie0626]

pmb1010, you are right. I have connected the universal lnb --> sat finder --> motor --> receiver.

According to your advice, I should remove the sat finder from the above connection. The new connection will be universal lnb --> motor --> receiver. I will try this new connection tonight.


Thanks pmb1010.

[pmb1010]

Originally Posted by ftanewbie0626

pmb1010, you are right. I have connected the universal lnb --> sat finder --> motor --> receiver.

According to your advice, I should remove the sat finder from the above connection. The new connection will be universal lnb --> motor --> receiver. I will try this new connection tonight.


Thanks pmb1010.

Worth a try... and as vj9999, I have no experience with Pansat equipment. Can you verify you have "universal" lnb selected on the dish configuration screen? Doe it show an oscillator frequency? The universal is dual frequency, 9.75 and 10.6 Ghz, do those numbers show anywhere on your setup screen?
Does it look like this (this is the screen you should be parked on attempting to dial in the satellite) except you want "universal" not "standard" and this screen does not show motor... :

[ftanewbie0626]

pmb1010, in my antenna set up screen, I do have SatMex5/116.8 W in the column Satellite. In the rows:
LNB Type Universal 1
LNB Local-Freq 9750/10600
22kHz Off
DiSeqC Off
Skew 0
TP 1204H3.000
Position Setting USAL
Satellite Scan ALL
Level 84% Quality 0%

Please let me know if I need to change any thing in the set up screen to be able to capture some good quality on this bird. Thanks.

[pmb1010]

Originally Posted by ftanewbie0626

Please let me know if I need to change any thing in the set up screen to be able to capture some good quality on this bird. Thanks.

Looks like you have all set correctly.

Can you read the number off of the bracket on your motor and post that?
You said your dish is at 50, that seems high I want to make sure your motor bracket is set good. Look in the book for the HH90, there is 2 ways to setup that bracket.

Also, the pole you mounted this to is critical to be plumb, front to back and side to side... that will make a BIG difference as the motor moves off center whether the side satellites come in or not.

Good luck.