922 shorted out

[Ski5010]

If you want me to put this somewhere else go ahead i wasn't sure.Darn another problem accured now My 922 shorted out,and stoped at G1 i tried hooking up my old analog back up to turn the dish and it would only go east just a llittle and stop,What happened.I replaced the lnb and it moved a little bit more but not much.Thank you

[elgemcdlf]

You need to understand how the system works before moving any farther forward. The lnb has absolutely nothing to do with movement of the dish. They are 2 independant operation/procedures. There are for all practical purposes only a few things that can cause a dish to stop moving.

1.) Actuator is bad
2.) Broken wire or not connected properly to the receiver
3.) Broken wire or not connected properly to the actuator
4.) Physical break in mounting or severe misalignment of the dish causing it to be locked up against itself. Rust could also cause this.

Where to start:

1.) Disconnect one mounting point of the actuator and attempt to move the dish by hand from side to side. Does the dish move freely for the full travel? If yes proceed. If no you have a problem in your mount. Look for the obvious.
2.) With the actuator still disconnected on one end attempt to move the dish with the receiver (DSR922). Does the actuator move in and out smoothly? If yes reconnect and proceed. If no check wiring. If wiring is ok the actuator is most likely bad. If wiring problem is found repair wiring.
3.) With actuator connected attempt to move the dish. Does the dish move smoothly? If yes sounds like problem solved. If no the actuator is most likely bad as it will not move under normal load.

[Ski5010]

Ok here is the whole setup of what i did.The genious in me no no no the stupidity maybe.I thought this might work but aparently not.I took and tried to jump my analog motor connection to my 922 when i did that my 922 shorted out and that is when my dish would only move a fraction of what it is supose to.I ck what you wanted me to do but i can't use my 922 shorted out big time

[elgemcdlf]

You can only hook one receiver to an actuator at a time. Time to send the 922 in for repair

[Ski5010]

How do i get my dish to move is what i want to know t only moves half way around now.Since this happened.

[elgemcdlf]

Half way around? Is the actuator moving full travel? Not dish movement. Is the actuator fully extending and retracting when not connected to the dish?

[Ski5010]

No it looks like to me it has more travel alot more

[elgemcdlf]

As long as your mount is not causing an interferrence and it is moving I would look to the sat position programming in your receiver. I assume the analog receiver is moving the dish at this time.

[lumpkin666]

If you want to check your actuator, first disconnect all other items from the actuator. Then take the two heavier gauge wires (tprobably 12 or 14 guage - normally they are red/black and connected to M1 and M2 on your satellite receiver). Touch 1 to the negative side of a 12v car battery, and touch the other to the positive side of a 12v car battery. It should move one direction or the other (albiet slowly since you're only giving it 12v instead of 36v). To check the actuator travel in the opposite direction, can you guess what you need to to? - yep, just flip your wires around and it'll travel the other direction.

[Ski5010]

Ill try that

[rainman]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

You can only hook one receiver to an actuator at a time. Time to send the 922 in for repair

I hate it when the magical smokes comes out of electronics.

[Ski5010]

It went all the way to the east but when i sswitched the wires ar.it still wanted to go east.it won't go west at all now

[lumpkin666]

If you pop the cover off your actuator (where the wires go in), there should be a nut or slot that you can insert a tool to manually crank the dish back the other direction. You might manually turn it back aways so that you can swap the wires and ensure that it's really trying to move the same direction regardless of which wire you have on the positive side of your battery (i.e. it might seem that it's trying to move in the same direction simply because it can't move at all).

If it appears to be physically difficult to manually move in one direction or the other, then you may look at lubrication/grease to fix it. If not, then you'll either need to tear the actuator electronics apart and figure out which part was blown, or possibly replace either the actuator or just the motor. I know that I've seen advertised replacement motors (without the actual arm) that seemed pretty reasonable in price.

[Ski5010]

All right will check those things out.Thank you for the suggestions

[Ski5010]

Any suggestions to what complete acuator at this store i should get.I have a 10 foot Unimesh Dish nIll work on this one on my spare time.I want to get up and running again.I have a superjack II

[lumpkin666]

If you want to save some money, you could probably get away with just replacing the motor part with this:
HOAL-2418-Motor_replacement_for_actuator

Otherwise you'll at least this big of an actuator to move your 10' dish:
HARL-3624 TD-24 24" 36V Moteck Super Power Jack Actuator

And if you're in an area susceptible to heavy wind and/or snow, then you'll want something more heavy-duty like this:
QARL-3624 HV-24 24" Stroke 36V Motech Heavy Duty Actuators

[Ski5010]

The c panel you wanted me to look at didn't come threw

[lumpkin666]

Originally Posted by Ski5010

The c panel you wanted me to look at didn't come threw

Sorry about that. I've fixed the link now.

[Ski5010]

How does th earm match up with the receiver or vice versa I reset the dish half way but the receiver is reading G1 How do i reset that?or does it reset itself

[lumpkin666]

It doesn't reset itself. The actuator has no "smarts" to know where it's at. All it knows is how many clicks/turns it has made in a particular direction.

If you have your receiver set at G10, you may disconnect your voltage lines (the two motor lines connected to M1 and M2) and use a battery (or manually crank it) to move the dish to G10. If you have no other tools available to you to help you determine if you're in the right place, you may turn your receiver on and watch the signal meter to see when you have manually moved the arm into the right position. When you're @ G10, connect the M1 and M2 lines and (if nothing else changed), you should be set to go.

If you're replacing the arm with another arm (or motor), it gets more difficult since each motor has its own # of turns per inch of actuator arm (okay, many are the same, but there's not guarantee that you'll be able to pick out the appropriate one to replace yours). In that case, you'll have to read your user's manual to determine how to reset your satellite positions in the receiver.

[Ski5010]

Oh boy there'salot more to knowing Satellite issues and receivers etc etc.Thanks for being here and helping me with my baby steps.and be so patient with me.Im learning alot tho.I just ordered the one you suggested HARL-3624 TD-24 24" 36V Moteck Super Power Jack Actuator

[Ski5010]

OOPS when it comes in the acuator thye servo and grnd wires.I have Grn and Orange coming from the top of the motor.not counting the mr1 or mr2 wires Which one goes first

[rainman]

it don't matter which one goes first just that you got them installed in the correct place on the motor. just a reminder be sure to unplug your receiver.

[Ski5010]

Alright ill do that thanks again

[wejones]

Originally Posted by rainman

it don't matter which one goes first just that you got them installed in the correct place on the motor. just a reminder be sure to unplug your receiver.

? Why unplug receiver? I almost never unplug any of my receivers for any wiring changes, but particularly not for the actuator wires. Only thing that could be affected there would be maybe an extra count or two with respect to where the receiver thinks the dish is, but his receiver already doesn't know where it is.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by wejones

? Why unplug receiver? I almost never unplug any of my receivers for any wiring changes, but particularly not for the actuator wires. Only thing that could be affected there would be maybe an extra count or two with respect to where the receiver thinks the dish is, but his receiver already doesn't know where it is.

after being zapped by electrical equipment a few times I try to stay on the safe side Bill.LOL

[Ski5010]

Ok i replaced the actuator.everything is connected to the right connections,Followed the directions that came with it. But when i try to check it with my receiver it shows this WARNING actuator error,Do i have to reset my receiver it shows anik 2 or E2 right now,or?????

[rainman]

you may need to reset you west and east limits. or turn them off till you get the sats program in then set the limits.

[Ski5010]

i cleared them it gave me ***** for east and west,before it had numbers,But it still says the same thing.By the way i have a uniden personal cable receiver if that is helpful,How can i check to see if i didn't blow my receiver

[rainman]

the only time i get that message on my Uniden 4600 is when i hit the limits, the dish is froze up,or the wire came loose at the motor or receiver.