Installation Help Please, Spent two days so far and read alot

[travisnj]

I am a former BUD man, I have many years on them and installing etc.

This 90cm, with Satcontrol HH is driving me crazy.

I have done the following

I am 39.0N and 95.6W

My true is 184

My elevation is 39.X on HH mount and 40.x on dish mount

I have a Digital NIT scope/meter and I have verified good strong signals tracking MANUALLY (Not w/Receiver)

When I hook up the motor, it "wonders" and "wonders", occationally I can get it to stop, I have reset many times (unplug in midst) etc. I have tried using USALS and DISCQ both of which the HH "WONDERS" both with a StarCom DVB 500 and Captive Works 600s and a Fortec Ultra (Factory Defaults)

I spent all day, 7AM till 6PM off and on going up and down the ladder, checking with my meter and with receiver on roof.. all the same, can not get the darn HH Motor to "stop" or "track".

Thank you

FRUSTRATED AND READY TO SCREAM

[ahoss2000]

As a newbie myself, I suggest the following:

1. Setup your system on the ground and next to a TV. I had a temp. setup on the ground before I installed it on a permanant location.
2. Make sure you input your lat and long. correctly in the reciever. I had made a mistake once and had them swapped which drove me crazy before I found out.
3. Follow the setup instructions for a motorized system given on Sadoun site : http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installati...stallation.htm

4. Work with your South Sat, you can use IA5, TP 11836V 20.765. o

5. Another suggestion you may want to try is to use your system without the motor, and find IA5.

Good luck.

[travisnj]

I have found IA5, G3C (Roberts), etc. all fine with my meter.

I came across an interesting article and link for calculating TRUE south and even allows for the input of the equipment your trying to use... It states that instead of my 180 - 4, my TRUE is 92 (MAG) and 95.2 (Corrected)

Can someone please double check my TRUE, I could have sworn that on the site there is a map, Kansas City area is -4 correction to your compass, that to me would be 176..

My south is like the compass reads, okay, so where does this 92 come from? And interestingly enough, when I did try to use with a SpaceStar in USALS was -54 compensation (When I could get the HH to stop)... Something is not making sense to me..

BTW I did follow EXACTLY step by step the installation proceedure. I did not setup a "rough" on the ground as I did not see this as being a "REAL" challange other than what I have done and the HH to me seemed like all the other "Motorized Jacks" that I used and aligned... I WAS WRONG.. haha.

HH is a beast of it's own merits and I imagine my WHOLE problem is not understanding what or where the TRUE south would be in 66608. I have looked at the looking angles and it says different..

Clarification from someone please.

P.s. If I were not TRUE right now why would I be tracking fine? When setting up the dish, etc. I setup and tweaked to my most southern sat G3C at 95W, perfectly aligned etc. and tracks to Echo, AMC, etc. I am close but I am off so much that the HH will not work correctly for me...

[lostinthewoods]

Originally Posted by travisnj

I came across an interesting article and link for calculating TRUE south and even allows for the input of the equipment your trying to use... It states that instead of my 184, my TRUE is 92 (MAG) and 95.2 (Corrected)

Can someone please double check my TRUE, I could have sworn that on the site there is a map, Kansas City area is +4 correction to your compass, that to me would be 184..

My south is like the compass reads, okay, so where does this 92 come from? And interestingly enough, when I did try to use with a SpaceStar in USALS was -54 compensation (When I could get the HH to stop)... Something is not making sense to me..

From reading your message, "I think" you are mixing up the terms so I will attempt to help you out.
1. Your magnetic corrections seem fine.
2. What this means is with the motor set at "refrence or 0 on the scale", the whole assembly should be pointing at your true south or in your case 184 (magnetic) which will be looking at a point as if there was a bird at 95.6
3. In usals, you enter your TRUE coordinates 39.0N and 95.6W (make sure you have the proper N and W
4. From Lynsat, your closest bird will be G3C @ 95 so you should be able to tell you setup to go to that location and the dish should move "just a little bit". Now you may have to play with the transponders to get a decent signal and then:
a. rotate the whole dish/moptor assembly slightly east-west to peak the signal.
b. move the elevation of the dish slightly up/down to peak again.

You should be done and be able to use usals to find the other birds in you range.

Lost

[radiobob]

Magnetic deviation for your location (according to: http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/geomag/...alcDeclination) is:

3 degrees 37 minutes East...or about -minus 4 degrees, making your original estimation of 176 degrees correct. I don't know where the 92 degrees comes from. The ever-popular IA5 at 97W would then be a good candidiate for true south. Since you're getting that and G3C, I'd say that--motor weirdness aside--you are "good for go" despite what the other article says.

[ahoss2000]

Some items to check:

1. Make sure your pole is perfectly plumb on all sides.
2. Make sure the lnbf and receiver connects to the motor on the coorresponding connectors.
3. Take out the signal meter, and use the receiver.
4. Your true south of 174 is correct.
5. Make sure motor is at zero position.
6. Aim the whole setup to 174 as closely as you can.
7. Command the USALS to go your South Sat. It will make small movement to get there. If not, then the motor is bad, or you have bad coax some where!
8. At this point, you have to find the sat. by moving your whole setup on the pole east and west, and if needed repeat with 1 degree dish elevation combination. If your receiver finds the sat, then try to peak the signal. I get signal reading of mid 70's on IA5.
9. Now command the USALS to find another closeby sat. If it moves too much, then you have motor problem.

[travisnj]

After reviewing my install, making sure I am 100% level "Plum" on all sides (using even a bubble level in the center), being able to track right and setting HH @ "0" reference with aiming at G3C or even I5, I am finding that the HH DOES NOT move "a little", it roams and when I try to move it "steping" in either USALS or DESCq it moves all over the place.

I have compression fittings, new RG6, and a COAX stripper (not razor knifed)... I get GREAT meter readings but for what it is worth, the HH when used just seemingly wants to "ROAM" or wonders around.

I would like a general feedback from those that have aided my effort and reviewing my techniques or methods could I ask if the HH is defective.. It should not be this hard.

And three different FTA receivers should also indicate that it is not a receiver issue, meter should show it is not a tracking or aiming issue and reception indicates to me that the LNBf is good so the only thing I can figure is the I need to exchange the HH?

[ahoss2000]

After your motor roams around on its own, what happens if you command it to go to its zero position? I have read that coax lenghts in excess of 100ft will cause the motor to malfunction. If it does go to its zero position, then set it to Diseqc1.2 and step it east or west one step. It it continues to roam, then motor is defective.

My motor is Stab HH90, and I did not have any problem what so ever with its operation. You may want to exchange it for STab motor. They are the one that created USALS standard! ( I think )

[travisnj]

Originally Posted by ahoss2000

After your motor roams around on its own, what happens if you command it to go to its zero position? I have read that coax lenghts in excess of 100ft will cause the motor to malfunction. If it does go to its zero position, then set it to Diseqc1.2 and step it east or west one step. It it continues to roam, then motor is defective.

My motor is Stab HH90, and I did not have any problem what so ever with its operation. You may want to exchange it for STab motor. They are the one that created USALS standard! ( I think )

Well, it "wonders" on it's own when ever a command is received "green LED" shows receipt. I can send a "reference" command and it returns somewhere around "0". Lets say I tell it to goto a sat, it acts as if it does not know where anything is what so ever, it goes E<->W over and over, I have tried to manually adjust the sat, aim to G3C or I5 and then hook up receiver, after I have preselected I5/G3C and hit "SAVE" to allow it to store a point of reference for the sat, I then try to goto ANY other sat, it "wonders" and does not stop. (Tried with all 3 brands of FTA as stated above in thread)

Coax is less than 10ft. all work and troubleshooting and install being done next to the sat for fine adjustments, I am not using home/cable runs..

[glen4cindy]

Just curious, did you ever resolve your issue?

[elgemcdlf]

Verify you have your coords entered correctly in USALS. Reversed could cause the problem.