Quick HH Motor Installation Instructions

[Admin]

Here are some instructions for setting up your motor. These instructions are for the Lifetime Ultra Receiver, Satcontrol SM3D12 Motor, and FSKUV Universal LNB.

First, you'll need to find your exact latitude and longitude. If you need to calculate it, here's how: Go to http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installati...Calculator.htm and enter your zip code partway down the page where it says "or a 5-digit zip code:". Click the button below that to get your latitude and longitude. Round these to one decimal point and write them down. For example, our zip code here in Hilliard, OH is 43026, which is 40.032187 N, 83.138333 W. We round this to 40.0N, 83.1W.

Now you need to figure out the angles for your dish and motor. The motor elevation is equal to your latitude. You can find the dish elevation in the SatControl manual (page 11 here: http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/S...OUN-SM3D12.pdf ). Find your latitude in the left column ("GL"), and the dish elevation will be the number in the right column ("Elev A").

You'll also need to figure out what direction on the compass true south is. True south will be 180 degrees plus/minus your location's magnetic deviation. Look at the map here: http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/mag-map.jpg to find your magnetic deviation. For example, Columbus,OH appears to have a magnetic deviation of about +8 degrees, so for Columbus location, true south will be 188 degrees on the compass.

Set the motor and dish elevation, then align the zero position on the motor (where it points straight ahead) towards true south. If the motor is not already in the zero position, you can move it to zero from the receiver. Here's how:

- Go to the Antenna Setup screen under the Installation menu
- Choose a satellite (Like IA5/Ku) and press OK
- Set the "Positioner Setting" to USALS
- Press OK with the Positioner Setting line highlighted to get to the motor controls
- Press OK on "Reference Position" to move the motor to zero

While we're at it, you can enter your latitude and longitude here. Just make sure you enter the longitude as West, not East. For example, if your latitude and longitude is 40.1N, 83.1W. So you would press 8, 3, 1 for the longitude, then press the Right Arrow button to change it from "E" to "W". The receiver will display 83.1W. Then 4, 0, 1 for the latitude to get 40.1N. Highlight STORE and press OK to save the changes.

You also need to position the LNB properly. When the motor is in the zero position, the LNB should be vertical with the cable at the bottom. You'll notice that the LNB can slide in or out from the dish. You need to pull it out as far from the dish that the clamp will allow.

Now that you've got the motor and dish in the approximate position, you need to align it to achieve the best signal. Here's how to do it:

- Go to the Antenna Setup screen under the Installation menu
- Choose IA5/Ku from the satellite list on the left and press OK
- Go down to the "TP" line
- Press the left/right arrows to change the TP to "12152 H 20000"
- Set the "Positioner Setting" to USALS
- Press OK with the Positioner Setting line highlighted to get to the motor controls
- Press OK on "Move" to turn the motor to IA5's position

Now you need to adjust the dish & motor until the Quality meter reads as high as possible (ideally 80-100%). If you need to adjust up/down, adjust the dish elevation only (the motor elevation should stay equal to your latitude). If you need to adjust left/right, adjust the rotation of the motor on the pole (so you're turning the whole thing left or right).

Now you've got the motor and dish aligned for one satellite. This should be good enough to receive IA5 at 97W and any satellites that are close to it, like Galaxy 3C at 95W. In order to make sure that the motor is tracking the arc properly to receive all of the satellites, align it for another satellite that is farther away. If you can get a good signal on two satellites that are relatively far apart, you know that everything is aligned perfectly.

A good satellite to use that is relatively far away from IA5 is Galaxy 10R. Here's how to check the alignment for that satellite.

- Go to the Antenna Setup screen under the Installation menu
- Choose G10R/Ku from the satellite list on the left and press OK
- Go down to the "TP" line
- Press the left/right arrows to change the TP to "11799 V 26660"
- Set the "Positioner Setting" to USALS
- Press OK with the Positioner Setting line highlighted to get to the motor controls
- Press OK on "Move" to turn the motor to Galaxy 10R's position

You may need to adjust the dish/motor again to get the quality as high as possible again for Galaxy 10R. It's important to change the "TP" setting as described each time to make sure it's looking for signal on an active frequency. Keep going back and forth between IA 5 & Galaxy 10R, adjusting the dish until you find the spot where it gets a good quality on both satellites. Once you do, the dish and motor are aligned properly and it should move straight to any other satellites without having to adjust it.

Once your alignment is done, pick a satellite on the Antenna Setup screen, and make sure the "Positioner Setting" is set to USALS. Press OK on the "Positioner Setting" line, then OK on "Move" to move the dish into position. Once it's done moving, highlight Satellite Scan and press OK to download the channels for that satellite.

The "TP" setting is very important. This is the frequency that the receiver is currently looking for a signal on to display on the level/quality meters. You want to make sure that the TP is set to a live Ku band transponder. Here's how I find a valid transponder:

- Go to http://www.lyngsat.com
- Under the "America" column, click "Frequencies"
- Now pick the satellite you want. For example, Intelsat Americas 5
- The frequency is the number on the leftmost column. Frequencies in the 3000s and 4000s are C Band (requiring a 6'-10' dish). Ku band frequencies will be in the 11000s and 12000s.
- Find a KU band frequency with yellow (Free to Air) DVB channels on it. For example, a good frequency on Intelsat Americas 5 would be 12152. This frequency carries several Arabic free to air channels.
- On the Antenna Setup screen in the receiver, select the proper satellite and highlight the "TP" line
- You can cycle through the preprogrammed transponders by pressing the left and right arrows. Find the one that shows a frequency (the first number) of 12152.

The Lifetime Ultra receiver has a new feature called Blind Search. What it does is scan a whole satellite for all available transponder frequencies. As long as the dish is pointed correctly, it will find all of the transponders without having to know any of the frequencies, symbol rates, polarities, etc. It works similar to a police radio scanner in that it scans the whole frequency range to find any active signals. This way, you don't have to manually enter the frequencies into the receiver. Here's how to run a blind search on the Ultra:

- Under the Installation menu, go to "Power Scan" and press OK
- Choose the satellite you wish to scan with the left/right arrows (the satellite must have already been set up under Antenna Setup to appear here)
- Leave the rest of the settings on their defaults
- Go to "Satellite Scan - FTA" and press OK

The blind search typically takes 5-15 minutes to complete. It first finds all of the active transponders then scans them for channels.

Hope this helps!

Rob

[bobkat]

Nice...very nice !!

kat

[jim1456]

i live in ollinsville oklahoma and i had a few satelites, wanted to get them all so i followed this guide to the letter and it got me no place. i went from having T5/ku all echostar and the 2 nimiq's to haveing no satelites.
i did nothing wrong. i hate getting bad advise, as it p#$% me off.
here is my loation info:
Zip Code: 74021 PO Name: Collinsville (OK)
Population (1990): 8944
Location: 36.370069 N, 95.84688 W
maybe you an figure this out i'm going back to doing it my way.
when i follow a guide and it don't work for me i question the knowlege of the person who wrote it
it's bad advice to me

[peterferro]

In Chicago, IL.

having trouble with my 1.2 HH motor. I have the antenna pointing at Galaxy 3C...the closest satellite to true south that has something I can Identify (I know IA8 is up there now but im not aware of what's up there). I get the PBS frequencies to come in and I have the reciever memorize the location. I then manually move the antenna over to IA5 and set the most obvoius channels up there and memorize the location. But I cannot get the antenna motor to move between the two.

The manual is of no help to me. Should I have the positioner set to 1.2 for every satellite I want to tune in?

[vj9999]

I am in Chicago area and I use AMC 3 as my true south satellite. I am assuming you are trying to get Ku band stuff?!! Since you are getting PBS frequencies to come in, I am guessing you are looking at AMC3 and not Galaxy 3C?

[peterferro]

yes, AMC3. It was late, I had beer. I'm an uplinker, so I know the difference.

still I cannot get the antenna to move from satellite to satellite.

need help.

and yes, Ku

[vj9999]

What receiver do you have and what is the exact model number of you motor? If there is any way you can use USALS instead of 1.2 that would be much easier.

When you store the satelitte position, what number do you store it under? From what I have seen, many motors have first 20 or so positions alrady in use for european sats.

[peterferro]

that is the case. It is a Fortec Lifetime Ultra reciever. The Reciever can do USALS but the HH motor is not USALS capable. The first 25 positions are preset(useless).

The motor is a DMS International HH Disec motor.

I need to wipe the slate clean and start over.

[vj9999]

IS this the motor you have? SG2100?it is USALS capable. Some older models were not, but newer ones are (mine is 2 years old and it can do USALS). They might refer to it as Goto X.

[peterferro]

its a 2100.

[vj9999]

Try USALS. It should work. Peak it at AMC 3 first and then try driving it to IA5 with USALS.

[peterferro]

do i need to assignb it a preset number?

[vj9999]

When using USALS, in Antenna setup, in the Positioner, select USALS. Enter your longitude and latitude. Click store and exit. Motor will move to the location of that satellite. Once motor is moved, make sure you are getting signal and quality.

Select the next satellite and all you do is select USALS in positioner setting and it will automatically calculate where to move.

[videobruce]

Those 4 bolts on the motor itself. That isn't a problem with a large heavy dish (1 meter Winegard)? It appears to be the weakest link in the chain.

[Admin]

It depends on what motor model you are talking about?

[videobruce]

the H-H 120

[misterdk2]

Dear Admin. Please check your math. In the 3rd or fourth paragraph you state that true south will be 180 plus or minus your deviation. Then you say that Columbus Ohio is a plus 7 so true south will be 192. Shouldn't it be 187? This might confuse some people. Thanks for your great work and pardon me if I'm missing something.

[Admin]

Thank you for the correction :mozilla_laughing:

Actually since magentic deviation changes constantly, it should be 8 degrees now for Columbus, OHIO. So True South should be 188

[jackp]

Originally Posted by peterferro

In Chicago, IL.

having trouble with my 1.2 HH motor. I have the antenna pointing at Galaxy 3C...the closest satellite to true south that has something I can Identify (I know IA8 is up there now but im not aware of what's up there). I get the PBS frequencies to come in and I have the reciever memorize the location. I then manually move the antenna over to IA5 and set the most obvoius channels up there and memorize the location. But I cannot get the antenna motor to move between the two.

The manual is of no help to me. Should I have the positioner set to 1.2 for every satellite I want to tune in?

Hi I am having trouble to.I am in Chicago,ILL 60643.I got 2 motors and dishs.1 is a chanel master dish and sg2100 hh motor.The channel master dish came with 2 circular lnb on it.I put an linera lnb in the center.What about motor elevation angle?I though when you set the lat on your motor,the elevation is set to.On my sg2100 I set it to 42 lat. and on the elevation side it was 48.Now 42+48=90.

[verk62]

When I first set up the motor and dish aimed at my true south, which is at 3C. Should I aim it at the true south and try to pick up 3C by using the motor to move the dish around or moving it by hand?

[Sadoun]

Easy instructions on how to setup a motorized dish have been updated on our page here: http://sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/H...stallation.htm

[SN]

Hi
I have installed an SG2100 with Winegard dish and pansat 3500. I was getting a few IA 5 channels with 70+ Quality 80+ signal strength. While Trying to program other satellites, the IA5 also went away. Now there is 0 Quality and Signal strength of 20 irrespective of the position of the motor. Motor is responding to DISEQC or USALS moves. Also if the cable from LNB is disconnected, it still shows sig strength of 20.

I would sincerely appreciate if someone could give an idea as to what could be the issue with this. Would any change in elevation of the dish or something cause this ?

Thanks
:mozilla_cry:

[misterdk2]

SN...if you're getting nothing it is usually because the dish is not on "the arc". The most important thing is to make sure that your antenna mount is 1,0000% perfectly straight up and down. You can use a bubble level to check it. You should check it on 3 sides of the pole. If it's off even a little bit it will badly affect your reception. I'd start there with your troubleshooting. If the pole is perfectly plumb then write back and I'm sure others can help you better than I in figuring out what is wrong. Also, from what I've learned, the signal strength would register something even if you point it at a brick wall. The signal strength means NOTHING! It is the quality that you want. Good luck.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by kingfish49

Sticky Thanks a lot for you info about HH motor installation,I did fallow your directions guess what ? 110*,119*,Ku97,121* and bev. all came in
Thank you Again

you need to read the rules no hacking talk allowed.

[jnoda757]

How do I ask questions in the forums.

[satnutwillb]

To be able to receive the best help,include your dish size,what kind of lnb/f,receiver you have,location or lattitude and longitude,and the problem you are having.Hope this helps some and welcome

[Purple]

Originally Posted by satnutwillb

To be able to receive the best help,include your dish size,what kind of lnb/f,receiver you have,location or lattitude and longitude,and the problem you are having.Hope this helps some and welcome

Hi everyone.I am using a old 30 inch DTV dish and lnb. I have a HH-990 motor. I am at 50 n and 61e . I have been trying for two days and I cant figure this out.I have read so much my head hurts and my brain has gone blank. My problem is I can't understand all the directions. I have set everything correctly has per the directions, but this true south thing....I pointed everything south using a compass,, then I read I have to add or subtract something and point it that way,,,then somewhere I saw point at the south most Sat????
Another problem is,,,I progamed my VS plat with my lat and long and can move the dish manual but when I try to use USALS to find a sat like 110 which I programed into it, the receiver thinks the dish is moving but is not??? If anyone can help thanks..

[rainman]

if you are at 61 east you will not be able to see sat at 110 west due to the curvage of the earth. nothing fta on this sat anyway.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by rainman

if you are at 61 east you will not be able to see sat at 110 west due to the curvage of the earth. nothing fta on this sat anyway.

He should be able to see 110 from 61/50 . I can see to 135 from 70, and could go further if not for trees. I think 110 would be up about 16 deg above the horizon for him. Is getting close to the limit of the motor though, but I think the motor should do 54 deg.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by wejones

He should be able to see 110 from 61/50 . I can see to 135 from 70, and could go further if not for trees. I think 110 would be up about 16 deg above the horizon for him. Is getting close to the limit of the motor though, but I think the motor should do 54 deg.

but you are at 70w longitude Bill he said he was at 61e longitude.