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Old 04-27-2003, 08:08 AM
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Cannot get the satcruiser 101P to find anything!

I recently bought a satcruiser 101P for FTA content, but I am having difficulty finding anything in the sky with it. I should mention that I have dish network, and I have setup the three dishes without too much difficulty in the past, so this isn't my first time pointing a dish around the sky for hours.

I started with an old dish network mount that I have on the side of the house that points south and is perfectly level. I have a perfectly clear view horizon to horizon, so there is no chance my signal is getting blocked. I mounted the 36 inch dish with the LNB that came with satcruiser on top of the HH120 mount. I calculated the angles and the satellite dish appeared to pointing to the clark belt. I searched the skies back and forth with the STAB HH120 and kept on decreasing and increasing the elevation and mount orientation (HH120 mount was pointed south with the 8 degree correction required here in VA). I had the reciever set on Telstar 5 freq 11898 as described in http://sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Satcruiser/Instruct.htm but that was giving me a signal that was no higer than 29 at any time, and the Q bar never lit up.

After hours of that, I got frustrated and took the HH120 off the pole and just manually searched the sky for another couple of hours. Still nothing better than a 29.

Finally at the end of my rope I decided to hook an old dish network receiver into the dish and lnb I bought from Sadoun and search the skies with that...still nothing!

I figured the only thing that hadn't been swaped out was the LNB. I found an old LNB from one of the dish network receivers (a dual F-type connector with one LNB antenna that is used for the dish 500 to receive one satellite on two TVs). I simply held the LNB in place where the LNB that Sadoun shipped me was last mounted, and boom I had echostar in the 110 slot at 97% on the dish network receiver.

So now I mounted the dish LNB to the dish and tightened the screws and then plugged in the satcruiser to search for channels, but all I got was a bunch of "FAIL" messages when I tried to search channels or networks. The signal did get as high as 46, but I could never find anything. I then scanned the skies with the dish network LNB and the satcruiser receiver setup as described in http://sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Satcruiser/Instruct.htm and again found nothing. I put the dish network receiver back in the loop and looked for other satellites, but all I could find was Nikto 2 (Bell Expressvu 12, or something like that) in the 91 degree slot. I again hooked up the satcruiser when I was locked on that satellite, but the satcruiser still didn't do anything.

I have version R3RAMUSA_B12852A on the Satcruiser 101P, I imagine that is okay, right?

I don't know what else to do other than throw the whole unit in the pond...

Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 04-27-2003, 10:52 AM
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What LNBF model did you buy from Sadoun?
It could be that your LNBF setup is wrong in the Satrcruiser???
Do you have the 101P or 101 Plus?

Typical Local Oscillator frequencies for LNBFs

Standard KU (11.7-12.2 GHz)
LO: 10750

Universal KU (10.7-12.75 GHz)
LO low: 9750, LO Hi: 10600

DSS LNBF (12.2 - 12.75 GHz)
LO: 11250

Anytime you swap LNBFs, make sure your MPEG2 receiver is setup with the correct LNBF LO freq. as above.

Also, make sure you are using a LIVE trasnponder for checking signal and quality. If one transponder is not working, try another one. 12152 is a strong transponder on T5, for example.

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Old 04-27-2003, 01:35 PM
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I have the 101 Plus, sorry for the confusion there.

The LNB I bought from Sadoun was the universal, or so I believe, it is model number bsch83p31 and says expressvu/dish network canada on it.

I likely do have the lo set incorrectly, and I am going to go give that a shot right now and see if that fixes the problem or not.

Thanks for the reply, and any additional information you can provide would again be most appreciated!
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Old 04-27-2003, 01:47 PM
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Hi

This LNBF you got from us is a Standard LNBF and not a universal. Make sure your LNB frequency is setup at 10750 (go to TP configurations to do that).

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Old 04-28-2003, 03:06 PM
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I did it too..

I made exactly the same mistake starting out.

Also, if you do try the DISH/DSS LNB, you'll need to enter a LO frequency of 11250, if I remember correctly.

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Old 04-28-2003, 03:21 PM
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I tried another couple of hours on Sunday to search the skies with the proper LNB (the standard LNB from Sadoun) and the proper setting on the LO (10750) and still couldn't find T5. I even tried several different frequencies (11898, 12225, in the TP menu, as well as other freqs of transponders that lyngsat showed as being active). I still couldn't find it.

At one point I did manage to map out 11 channels on 12245 MHz, though the signal and quality were both just below 50 (48, 46 to be exact). I tried moving the dish, moving the LNB, centering the frequency to max the signal, but no luck. The channels were identified as PG8150 as so on, but they were all blank when I tried to view them in TV mode. Beats me...

I know I am probably wrong, but I think something is wrong with the LNB. I ordered a Universal LNB off of Sadoun's website last night, maybe that will solve the world's problems. Anyhow, I guess I needed a universal LNB for maximum frequency exploitation, so it is worth a shot.

I just cannot imagine it should be this hard to find T5, am I alone?

Thanks for all your help so far, I look forward to this thing working, but in the meantime I am learning a lot.
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Nope - you are not alone. Its not easy aligning a free-to-air dish for the first time. :?

The Bell ExpressVu LNB you tried the first time will work just fine for T5; I use nothing else but these (well; Aspen Eagle in a pinch) and always get a strong signal.

I assume you have LNB POWER turned ON in the SatCruiser setup.

The L.O. frequency is 10,750 MHz for this LNB.

The channels you mapped (PG8150) are not from T5; bear in mind that sometimes you will find 2 satellites have similar transponder datastreams and that can throw you for a loop - makes you think you are on T5 but in reality you hit a different bird.

When searching for T5 I always use the 12,152 transponder as it has a strong signal - good for finding the bird, then go to 12,177 or 12,090 to maximize signal strength and minimize cross-polarization.

With the ExpressVu LNB I find it best to position the LNB as far back as possible in the cradle (ie: maximum focal distance) and the rotation for my area (Toronto, Canada) is 5:30 o'clock as referenced from facing the dish. This position will work for most areas in Eastern North America; 7:30 o'clock for the western parts of the continent.

Keep trying - you will get it.

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Old 05-03-2003, 11:41 PM
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Update to drama

Okay, so I know you all stayed home from work this week because you were worried sick and were just itching to hear if I could get this Satcruiser to work...

I recieved the new Universal LNB in the mail from Sadoun this week, I first de-installed the "standard" LNB from Sadoun with the new one, plugged in coax to the satellite reciever, and then pushed the dish around for about 30 seconds until I got a strong signal on 12125 under the T5 settings. I did a channel search, and BOOM I had loads of stuff to watch.

So, I personally think my diagnosis was correct, the original LNB was not working correcly, or minimually was not performing at the full specs it was designed to be operating. And I seriously doubt I just stumbled onto the T5 slot by mistake today, asI am certain I searched every inch of the sounthern sky last week and never saw anything like what jumped on the signal meter today.

Thanks for all your help on the board folks, it is most appeciated!

Take care!
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Old 05-04-2003, 12:12 AM
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I tried another couple of hours on Sunday to search the skies with the proper LNB (the standard LNB from Sadoun) ...
At one point I did manage to map out 11 channels on 12245 MHz, though the signal and quality were both just below 50 (48, 46 to be exact). I tried moving the dish, moving the LNB, centering the frequency to max the signal, but no luck. The channels were identified as PG8150 as so on, but they were all blank when I tried to view them in TV mode.
Well, I'm glad you finally achieved success.

I'll bet you $1,000 that if you were to put the standard Bell ExpressVu LNB back on the dish you would receive all the channels on T5 that you are getting now with the Universal LNB.

Your earlier post (quoted above) tells me there was nothing wrong with that ExpressVu LNB -- you did manage to pull in channels, but they were not coming from T5.

Not meaning to be a smart-aleck here; but I've done enough of these FTA installs to realize the symptoms of a bad LNB and yours was not one of them.

Anyway - congrats on setting up your satellite system.

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