Some More Help please

[Coral]

After a strugle with the software things appear to be smoothing down.
However I still have 1 more problem yet. I'm having a conflict of positions
(writing location on the motor) between two satellites. Whichever I store
last remains. So if I store Turksat last Eutelsat goes because the motor
will keep the Turksat angle and vice versa.

I have restored the motor to it's default values and stored the sats again.
The peoblem is that the satellites on the receiver only have numbers
which are there just for personal reference and changing the number would'nt solve anyting, at least that's what I think. Any ideas please ?

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Coral

After a strugle with the software things appear to be smoothing down.
However I still have 1 more problem yet. I'm having a conflict of positions
(writing location on the motor) between two satellites. Whichever I store
last remains. So if I store Turksat last Eutelsat goes because the motor
will keep the Turksat angle and vice versa.

I have restored the motor to it's default values and stored the sats again.
The peoblem is that the satellites on the receiver only have numbers
which are there just for personal reference and changing the number would'nt solve anyting, at least that's what I think. Any ideas please ?

Those numbers aren't there for reference, it is ONLY the numbers that mean anything. The motor doesn't know anything about the names of the sats, the motor only knows the numbers. You are not telling the motor to go to sat Turksat, you are telling it to go to position 21 or 22, which can be whatever position you happen to store at that position. As I've said before, I would recommend saving the sat positions with one receiver, then save the corresponding sat numbers on the other receiver while the receiver is not connected to the coax. That way you won't be changing anything saved on the motor, and you'll just be saving what number corresponds to that sat on your receiver.

[Coral]

Thanks for your prompt reply. This is happening on the same receiver.
As I said the motor has been set to factory default. The sats are saved
at #1 for Digiturk 1C 42E and #8 for Eutelsat W1 10E.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Coral

Thanks for your prompt reply. This is happening on the same receiver.
As I said the motor has been set to factory default. The sats are saved
at #1 for Digiturk 1C 42E and #8 for Eutelsat W1 10E.

Earlier, you said that your 2 working receivers used the list:
1 Hotbird
2 Astra 1
3 Eutelsat W2
4 Eutelsat W1
5 Wutelsat W3
14 Hispast
17 Badr 3
18 Astra 2
22 Turksat C1
28 Nilesat
29 Telstar 12

so I assume that the above is from your unusual "3rd" receiver. However, I'm confused because earlier you said that this receiver didn't have any numbers?
Does this receiver allow you to edit the NAMES of the sats? If so, why not just re-name the sats that appear at each number to the corresponding name used for that number in the other receivers?

But back to your recent messages, I'm confused about just what you say is happening. You say this is only happening on this one receiver, so I'm assuming that you're never connecting your two working receivers. You say that you reset the motor, and "stored the sats again", but you aren't explaining the process you use.

Ie, are you bringing up the setup page for each sat, then manually moving the dish to that sat, then saving that sat, then bringing up the page for the next sat, manually moving to that sat, then saving that sat, etc??? If not, then just what are you doing? Also, when you say "if I store Turksat last Eutelsat goes because the motor will keep the Turksat angle and vice versa" , are you saying that the motor will never go to any other satellite other than the one you just manually moved to and saved. I'm confused because it had sounded before like you said that you could get this motor moving between sats, but that it was messing up what you had set up on your other receivers.

Anyway, I am having a very hard time understanding just what you are trying to describe.


All of the above being said, I have commented on this before, months ago, but I really have a hard time understanding what possible use it is to have "pre-set sat locations" in a motor, and/or a receiver that locks out these pre-set positions. I really have a hard time understanding how Europeans use these motors/receivers. Ie the motors and receivers cannot know where the user lives relative to the sats, so these positions can't really be pre-set. The only thing I can think of is that they have them set up for some random location, and expect users to use the DiseqC1.2 "RESYNC" command to bring all the sats into a semi-correct order. This would get people close, but it wouldn't really be a very accurate way of hitting the sats, as the spacing between the sats depends on your location even if you use the resync command. Anyway, I'm very confused about how Europeans use these motorized systems.

[Coral]

I don't blame you for being confused. Forget the two other receivers for
the time being. I have started with a new channel list for both receivers
since I will have to use the Other on the other receivers:

Channel List of satellite positions.
====================================
(01) 27 Turksat 1C Other 01 : 42.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(02) 28 Hellas Sat Other 02 : 39.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(03) 29 Astra 2 Other 03 : 28.2°E
---------------------------------------------
(04) 30 Badr 3 (Arabsat 2A) Other 04 : 26.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(05) 31 Astra 1 Other 05 : 19.2°E
---------------------------------------------
(06) 32 Eutelsat W2 Othe6 06 : 16.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(07) 33 Hot Bird Other 07 : 13.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(08) 34 Eutelsat W1 Other 08 : 10.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(09) 35 Eutelsat W3A Other 09 : 7.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(10) 36 Nilesat 101 Other 10 : 7.0°W
---------------------------------------------
(11) 37 Telstar 12 Other 11 : 15.0°W
---------------------------------------------
(12) 38 Hispasat 0ther 12 : 30.0°W
---------------------------------------------
That way I know I can get them to work together.

What I have done so far is have set my (problem) receiver exactly
as you have described in your 4th. paragraph.

So now is a fresh start after setting the motor to factory default
(clearing the memory)

As you can see from the list I'm moving from East to west so it will be
easyer to find the next sat for storing.

After I have set all the sats in the above order (on just one receiver).
It appared that when I went to Turksat, no matter how much I waited
it would never show and going back to Eutelsat it showed up in a blink
on an eye.

Then I went back to the settings and after manually moving the motor,
I again stored Turksat which reversed the situation on just these two
sats, all others are fine.

Next I went up to the roof and found (as expected) that the last stored
position caused the motor to remain stationary when any one of these
two sats. are called.

If I'm being too much of a headach just drop the reply but it would be nice
to have your views.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Coral

I don't blame you for being confused. Forget the two other receivers for
the time being. I have started with a new channel list for both receivers
since I will have to use the Other on the other receivers:

Channel List of satellite positions.
====================================
(01) 27 Turksat 1C Other 01 : 42.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(02) 28 Hellas Sat Other 02 : 39.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(03) 29 Astra 2 Other 03 : 28.2°E
---------------------------------------------
(04) 30 Badr 3 (Arabsat 2A) Other 04 : 26.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(05) 31 Astra 1 Other 05 : 19.2°E
---------------------------------------------
(06) 32 Eutelsat W2 Othe6 06 : 16.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(07) 33 Hot Bird Other 07 : 13.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(08) 34 Eutelsat W1 Other 08 : 10.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(09) 35 Eutelsat W3A Other 09 : 7.0°E
---------------------------------------------
(10) 36 Nilesat 101 Other 10 : 7.0°W
---------------------------------------------
(11) 37 Telstar 12 Other 11 : 15.0°W
---------------------------------------------
(12) 38 Hispasat 0ther 12 : 30.0°W
---------------------------------------------
That way I know I can get them to work together.

What I have done so far is have set my (problem) receiver exactly
as you have described in your 4th. paragraph.

So now is a fresh start after setting the motor to factory default
(clearing the memory)

As you can see from the list I'm moving from East to west so it will be
easyer to find the next sat for storing.

After I have set all the sats in the above order (on just one receiver).
It appared that when I went to Turksat, no matter how much I waited
it would never show and going back to Eutelsat it showed up in a blink
on an eye.

Then I went back to the settings and after manually moving the motor,
I again stored Turksat which reversed the situation on just these two
sats, all others are fine.

Next I went up to the roof and found (as expected) that the last stored
position caused the motor to remain stationary when any one of these
two sats. are called.

If I'm being too much of a headach just drop the reply but it would be nice
to have your views.

OK, I think I understand. And my only headache is that it is a strange symptom, and I can't immediately think of any reason for that happening.

I assume that this is happening on the receiver where the sats are defined 1-12 rather than 27-38? If so, could you use some other pre-defined location that you aren't using to save one of these 2 sats, like maybe location 13 or 14??? Or if the strange symptoms are when using the receiver where they are defined as 27-38, perhaps save one of those 2 sats as 39 or 40???

Anyway, that's a strange symptom. Are the numbers 1-12 actually listed in the setup page for those satellites, or is that just the order that the sats are defined? If the latter, it sounds like a firmware problem in the receiver, where it's just sending the same number to the motor for both those sats.

Strange.

[Coral]

I think the problem is in the firmware as you said in your last paragraph
because in all my years of setting up boxs, this has never happend.

I'll try to change positions and see what happens. Thanks for your
attention and I shall keep you posted.