need help to move the HH90

[david_sp]

Hi, there:
I just installed the whole system this weekend, include the Fortec lifetime ultra receiver, Fortec 80cm disk, LNB, and the Stab HH90 motor, the currently installation is like this, I am at New York metro area, the motor evelation is 40.7, longitude is 74, dish evelation is 38.5. I am not install the motor with the dish point to the true south, from the manual, it said it is OK to do it as far as you are using the USALS protocol.
But after installation, I can not get any signal, and the motor didn't move as well. I use the RCA coaxcable which purchase from the homedepot. Did I make anything wrong, can I set the initial position for the motor to be zero, from your instruction, it should be able to do it, but I am afraid it may not that easy to make it work.
Please advice.
Thanks.



David

[DruzeTito]

You're right, its not easy to setup a motor for first time users.

Please read the motor setup instructions on sadoun's website step by step. If you don't understand something, specifically tell us what it is. Here are some important things to consider:

1) What channels/satellites do you want to receive primarily?

2) Do you have a clear view to the sky for these satellites?

3) Is the pole you mounted your dish on perfectly level on both sides?

4) Did you calculate the elevation/latitude for your motor correctly based on your location?

5) Do you have a good compass?

6) Have you looked up your magnetic deviation for the compass?

7) Have you connected things correctly? Your lnb should go in the lnb port of the motor, and the the other cable should goto the receiver.

8) Have you adjusted the settings in the receiver? goto antenna setup, choose SBS 6 @ 74w. Then monitor signal on the 11741 H 6616 transponder. You need to find the signal on this sat first because it is your true south satellite. You next have to turn the motor to the furthest western satellite you can reach and the furthest east to perfectly track all the satellites in the sky with your motor.

You can answer these questions for us.

[david_sp]

I am really appreciate for your assistant. Since I am Chinese immigrator, the major motivation for me is try to search the FTA channel for my MOM, she don't speak any English.
Here it is the answer of those questions.
1. There are two satellite I try to point to, one is Galaxy 3C, another one is Galaxy 13.
2. Both of those two satellite has clear view
3. I did my best to ensure the dish to be mounted as good as possible, and keep the level of the pole.
4. base on my location, almost the same as the NYC, I calculate those number
5. I bought a best possible compass from HomeDepot
6. I am not quite sure, but I followed the instruction from your site, and from 180, I plus 14 to be 194, which will be true south, unfortunately, I find the dish is a little right of the true south, it is about 200 now. Will this be a big problem, I can make adjustment later to point to the true south.
7. I believe the connection is correct, I checked the connection twice.
Here it is another question, how to manually set up the motor and move it (just try to test whether the motor is dead or defective). If my true south didn't have the clear view, will the motor has the hard time to continue to trace the signal and move.
Thanks again.

[DruzeTito]

Well since you need Chinese channels you are in luck, there are lots of them!

Ok. Yes your magnetic variation is 14 so you will aim your dish to 194. You don't have to be extremely accurate because you can adjust the signal to maximum level once you find your closest to south satellite. Try to be as accurate as possible with compass.

If everything is connected right and your receiver is on, the motor should be able to work. You are saying it doesn't work?

So your first step will be to find your south satellite. Disregard what I said about SBS 6. Aiming to AMC 5 @ 79 w is better. So goto antenna setup>AMC 5> LNB UNIVERSAL 1, diseqc off, tp 12182 H.

Then goto positioner setting, goto USALS, hit OK, enter your longitude and latitude and press MOVE. Your dish should now move. Does it move?

[pmb1010]

>I plus 14 to be 194, which will be true south, unfortunately, I find the >dish is a little right of the true south, it is about 200 now. Will this be a >big problem, I can make adjustment later to point to the true south.

Yes, those 6 degrees will make you miss the satellites.
You will loose signal being about 2 degees off.

>I believe the connection is correct, I checked the connection twice.
> Here it is another question, how to manually set up the motor and >move it (just try to test whether the motor is dead or defective).

You connect from "IF Input" of receiver to Motor (check the connectors on motor, one goes to the receiver) other connector goes to LNB with a short cable.

> If my true south didn't have the clear view, will the motor has the hard >time to continue to trace the signal and move.

Not having a clear view to true south is not a problem. What you do is make sure the motor is at center, and you line up dish, motor to 194.

Then, you pick the highest satellite on the arc for NY city, which is SBS6.
Pick that satellite from the menu, make sure USALS positioning is selected, and change the transponder value to 11741.
The motor might not move since this is right on your southmost alighnment (194 degrees).
Now, you need to move the whole motor on the pole a little side to side, and the dish elevation up and down a few degrees at a time till you get some signal indication (quality signal indicator). Adjust for best signal.
Snug up the bolts.

Now see if you can move to one of the other sats, IA5 for example. See if you get some signal.

If you do, you need to use the motor to move as far left as your dish can see (example AMC6) see here
http://lyngsat.com/america.html
and see if you get some signal, and then to the west like G10R.

It's can be a tricky process, there are many variables (pole plumb, initial alignment etc) but once you get it dialed it it works great.

Good luck

[david_sp]

Really appreciate for all your guys, now, I can make the motor move, the only question is that I still didn't get any signal even the motor is moved perfect.
I will follow your advice and check to see whether at least one satellite can be point, one more question is how to measure the latitude angle on dish, as you know, the Fortec dish don't have very accuracy indicator, so all I can do is just a guess.
Another question is that, from the compass, it count by the number start by 180, but from the satelliate position, it count by number such as 97W, how to convert between them.
Thanks.

[david_sp]

Really appreciate for all your guys, now, I can make the motor move, the only question is that I still didn't get any signal even the motor is moved perfect.
I will follow your advice and check to see whether at least one satellite can be point, one more question is how to measure the latitude angle on dish, as you know, the Fortec dish don't have very accuracy indicator, so all I can do is just a guess.
Another question is that, from the compass, it count by the number start by 180, but from the satelliate position, it count by number such as 97W, how to convert between them.
Thanks.

[pmb1010]

Originally Posted by david_sp

Really appreciate for all your guys, now, I can make the motor move, the only question is that I still didn't get any signal even the motor is moved perfect.
I will follow your advice and check to see whether at least one satellite can be point, one more question is how to measure the latitude angle on dish, as you know, the Fortec dish don't have very accuracy indicator, so all I can do is just a guess.
Another question is that, from the compass, it count by the number start by 180, but from the satelliate position, it count by number such as 97W, how to convert between them.
Thanks.

By using your zipcode you can convert the satellite name/number to compass postion using this online calculator:

http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installati...Calculator.htm

Be advised that the Elevation figure on this calculator site is for FIXED dish setup (no motor).
There is link to figure out dish with a motor.
When you have a motor, you set the motor scale to specific number (your latitude) and set your dish scale to calculated value, based on your motor:

Elevation = P - (45 - Latitude)

But it is helpful to play with the fixed online calculator to get a feel for what the dish is doing when you move from sat to sat.