Please Help me with my figures on Setting up the Stabb 100HH

[kewlteacher]

I have purchased a stabb motor 100 hh and a dish from you. I was doing the figures and I would appreciate a clarification on a couple of issues. I have a fortec lifetime reciever with the 36 inch dish and the stabb motor...universal LNB.

My Latitude is 34.40
My longitude is 118.55

P factor is 50.1

Azimuth is 180.

Now here are my questions:

1) In order to locate true south...I should subtract 15 (the magnetic deviation since I am south of Los Angeles) from 180 and set my Azimuth
to 165.

I then should set the azimuth at 165 representing TRUE south?

2) My dish elevation the way I calculate it is 25.6. I set this elevation on my motor?

3) Is it correct to set the motor, pole and dish, to true South (165) and then after I have set it to true south..Turn on Usals and move the dish to the southern most sat...The way I calculate it is that my southern most sat should be either 116 or 119. Which one is it? and then after Usals moves the dish to the southern most satellite...I tune into the strongest transponder on that sat and then via USALS....all the other sats should fall into place.

Am I correct or is there something I am missing? I haven't gotten the equipment yet but want to make sure my homework is done.

Thank you for your help

Kewlteacher

[Admin]

1) In order to locate true south...I should subtract 15 (the magnetic deviation since I am south of Los Angeles) from 180 and set my Azimuth
to 165.

COREECT

I then should set the azimuth at 165 representing TRUE south?

CORRECT

2) My dish elevation the way I calculate it is 25.6. I set this elevation on my motor?

NO. This the dish elevation and not the motor elevation. You set the motor to 34.4 the same value as your latitude.

3) Is it correct to set the motor, pole and dish, to true South (165) and then after I have set it to true south..Turn on Usals and move the dish to the southern most sat...The way I calculate it is that my southern most sat should be either 116 or 119. Which one is it? and then after Usals moves the dish to the southern most satellite...I tune into the strongest transponder on that sat and then via USALS....all the other sats should fall into place.

That is correct.

Make sure the pol is 100% vertical (level)

[kewlteacher]

Thank you for that prompt response.

I have two followup questions...

1) Is the dish elevation a different setting (the P factor calculation of 25.6) and the motor elevation a different setting being equal to my latitude (34.4)? (I think that is what you are saying)

2) Which is my southern most satellite? The 119 bird...or the 116 bird?

Thank you again for your help

[Sadoun]

1) Is the dish elevation a different setting (the P factor calculation of 25.6) and the motor elevation a different setting being equal to my latitude (34.4)? (I think that is what you are saying)

Correct

2) Which is my southern most satellite? The 119 bird...or the 116 bird?

Since your Longitude is 118.4, your southern most satellite is 119 (it is almost on the same longtiude as your location but not exactly since it is off by 0.6 degrees).

So, when you use the USALS feature the motor will move the dish 0.6 degrees towards the West. But since 119 is an echostar satellite, your LNBF will not work for this satellite. I would suggest you use Satmex 5 at 116.8 to check your dish aligment. See http://www.lyngsat.com/sm5.shtml

Use USALS to move the dish to Satmex 5. In your receiver, select a live TP for that satellite and go from there.

Good LUCK.

[resq911]

kewlteacher, Based on your L and L you must be close to me.

I am at Lat. 34.21 Long. 118.61 What city? I'm Canoga Park.

I would be sure of your magnetic deviation. I called Jet Propulsion Labs.
They advised me that here it is almost exactly -13.5.

I have worked a lot with Sats in the past (military) but I am waiting for first FTA system to arrive Saturday. Could you tell me what size dish you are using?

[kewlteacher]

I am going with a 36 inch fortec dish and the Stabb 100 motor.

I am in orange county so thanks for that magnetic deviation info...I estimated it was at 15 from the chart.

I am new to FTA and the only dish experience I had was with a subscription network but I did set up my own dish then.

Learning about the this stuff is interesting to me and I am anxious to see if I can line up that dish on the arc correctly. Sounds pretty cool if it works..

Maybe we can exchange info when you get your stuff.

I read that lining up the Fortec is not that easy but I think with the Motor and USALS the trick is making sure you have true south lined up to begin with.

Keep me informed...I get my equipment next week.

KT

[dtsexpert]

Setting up H-H mount is a bit tricky but doable. USALS feature is extremely useful. Few things to make sure:
1. Correct LO: I assume that you get the package here, so lnbf is universal. Set LO as follow: Low 9750, High 10600
2. Make sure you use active transponders when tuning the dish. For SatMex: http://www.lyngsat.com/sm5.shtml, use Ku transponder 19 (12080, H, SR 25635)
3. When using USALS, double check the Lat and Long. They must be correct. Or else the dish will miss the other sats.
If you have any other questions, feel free to post them here. We will try to help you out.
Michael

Originally Posted by kewlteacher

I am going with a 36 inch fortec dish and the Stabb 100 motor.

I am in orange county so thanks for that magnetic deviation info...I estimated it was at 15 from the chart.

I am new to FTA and the only dish experience I had was with a subscription network but I did set up my own dish then.

Learning about the this stuff is interesting to me and I am anxious to see if I can line up that dish on the arc correctly. Sounds pretty cool if it works..

Maybe we can exchange info when you get your stuff.

I read that lining up the Fortec is not that easy but I think with the Motor and USALS the trick is making sure you have true south lined up to begin with.

Keep me informed...I get my equipment next week.

KT

[resq911]

May I digress to post 2 of this thread? If I set the HH to an elevation of 34.21(that’s my latitude) do I then align my dish elevation to what ever the to correct sat elevation (in my case50.4)

Wow, am I very confused or what?

[kewlteacher]

If I am thinking correctly about this, I think you have to set your dish elevation using the P factor Elevation calculation Sadoun has on his site here.

I think I am correct but don't trust me because I am a newbie.

KT

[resq911]

kewlteacher, Did you get yours working? If so give me a short explanation of how you did it.

I can get everything to work except I can not lock on anything.

[kewlteacher]

RESQ,

I haven't gotten my equipment yet. Won't be here till next week.

Did you set your motor and dish to true south and then Use USALS to go to SATMEX?

It look pretty straightfoward..but if you can't get a lock...I have no clue why.

Keep me informed.. I think you are gonna be the first step for mankind and I will follow 8) 8)

KT

[resq911]

I'm just not burning enough brain cells to figure it out. I'm sure I will figure it out. Then I can shere info like a pro like dtsexpert, Jamal and many others who have been very kind...

[Admin]

Jim

Try your dish without the motor. Once you get a good feeling and confidence about the installation, start playing with the motor. I am sure you will figure it out and you will be an expert on this forum. Don't give up easily and have trust in your equipment.

This will be a great learning experience for you. Try posting in one forum, so that people will follow up with you and others will learn.

[dtsexpert]

Do not give up. Here is the trick:
1. Setting Stab and Dish Elevation correctly.
2. Move the dish back to 0
3. Replace the lnbf with a DirectTV or DishNetwork.
4. Go to the receiver setting, select Echostar7, make sure the LO set at 11250, use the transponder 12297 H 20000 to tune the dish, once you get lock, peak the dish to get best quality.
5. Scan the transponder. Make sure you only scan this particlar trasponder. If not, you will get ton of channels.
6. Go thru the channels you just scan in to see if you get the NASA channel. The purpose of doing this is to double check the dish gets lock on 119W, not accidently get lock on 110.
7. Replace the DTV/DN lnbf with your ku lnbf.
8. Use USALS to move the dish to SatMex. Pick an active tranponder on SatMex to peak the dish. If adjustment is needed, only adjust the Dish elevation, do not touch Stab setting.
The trick here is: since the DN signal is very strong, it will be easier for you to locate your true south.
9. Once you get good lock on SatMex, you should get other sats using USALS.
Let us know how things going.
Michael

Originally Posted by resq911

I'm just not burning enough brain cells to figure it out. I'm sure I will figure it out. Then I can shere info like a pro like dtsexpert, Jamal and many others who have been very kind...

[resq911]

1, 2 and 3 compleated

4. I do not have an LO setting for 11250. I have universal 1 9750/10600 and Universal 2 9750/10750 the others are standard 9750 and the cband stuff.

Once I know this I will proceed with your directions.

Thx

[dtsexpert]

Use "standard", then change the LO value to 11250.
Michael

Originally Posted by resq911

1, 2 and 3 compleated

4. I do not have an LO setting for 11250. I have universal 1 9750/10600 and Universal 2 9750/10750 the others are standard 9750 and the cband stuff.

Once I know this I will proceed with your directions.

Thx

[resq911]

I accomplished the setting of the LO to 11250.

I receive no quality signal at all after scanning TP 12297. I reconfirmed all of my settings. Please confirm LNB power on, correct?

my azimuth of 180-13.5 = 166.5
my dish elevation of 24
my hh elevation of 34

Please confirm LNB power on, correct?

I tried to changing my elevation of only my dish 5* up and down and side to side and the possible combinations. No success

Tomorrow I will remove the dish from the motor and try and align, unless you have another idea.

[dtsexpert]

Yes, the power is ON.
Make sure all the cable connected correctly:
lnbf----h-h in-----h-h out-------receiver lnb in.
Double check cable connectors. If possible, try another cable. DishNetwork is very strong, you should get lock on it.
Try this:
Since we are trying to aming the dish at truesouth sat (at 0 deg rotation), you can connect the receiver to the lnbf directly. Once you get lock on the DishNetwork, let me know.
Michael

Originally Posted by resq911

I accomplished the setting of the LO to 11250.

I receive no quality signal at all after scanning TP 12297. I reconfirmed all of my settings. Please confirm LNB power on, correct?

my azimuth of 180-13.5 = 166.5
my dish elevation of 24
my hh elevation of 34

Please confirm LNB power on, correct?

I tried to changing my elevation of only my dish 5* up and down and side to side and the possible combinations. No success

Tomorrow I will remove the dish from the motor and try and align, unless you have another idea.