SG2100 moves wrong way-East for West???

[F3Beam]

I finally got around to installing my Moteck SG2100 motor.
Have angle and declination set, RG6 cable to Motor, Fortec Dish,
LNB, and connected to a Lifetime receiver. No switch attached.
I can't seem to get the receiver to move the motor. I can press
the button on the motor to get it to move East and West. But
how do you get the receiver to move it?

I'm trying to set it up on AMC 5, 79.0W, and I have the box
checked. My settings are:

LNB type: Universal 1
LNB Local/Freq: 9750/10600
22kHz: ---
DiSEqC: Off
LNB Power: On
0/12v: 0 volt
Positioner Setting: 1.2 & USALS (I tried both)
Satellite Scan: FTA

This saves. But when I go to scan AMC 5 it finds nothing
and the dish doesn't move from its South position. How do
I get the receiver to move the SG2100?
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Wait a minute...I just got a screen asking for my Lat, Long,
etc. Maybe I can get it if I can get the motor back to 0.

[F3Beam]

Okay, after entering the above info the Lifetime now moves the SG2100.

I'm trying to find a satellite not -out of range- so I can adjust and Lock on a signal. But now when I enter a satellite 50.0W my dish move east. What the heck????

[aar5ac]

Assuming you have the correct lat / long you probably put your lat/long settings in backwards. Just reverse the numbers and try again. That happened to me and when I reversed everything was dead on.

[bobkat]

One of my SatCruisers does this - moves the motor the wrong way - I never could figure out why; I just live with it and move the dish manually. I never could figure out all this USALS crap.

:roll:

kat

[F3Beam]

This Moteck 2100 motor and USALS stuff is beginning to suck alright.
I'm at 37.7N and 91.1W.
They can't be entered wrong because the other way won't accept the 91.1W. All I can change is the E and W. But I know I'm 91.1W and not 91.1E.

I entered PAS 9 @ 58.0W expecting it to be in the West.
But heck no, the azimuth is 131.1º. That's 42º East from South.

My location is 37.7N and 91.1W. I need two satellites, one east and
one west, so I can adjust and lock on to the signal.

Is my dish moving in the right directions?
Can someone help me find two freeking sats to try to lock in on?
One that will be somewhat East and One somewhat West. I doubt I can get more than a 40º arc each way.

[bobkat]

Originally Posted by F3Beam

One that will be somewhat East and One somewhat West. I doubt I can get more than a 40º arc each way.

Don't forget you need to set the east and west limits on the receiver setup first. This will allow a wider swing then 40 degrees either way.

kat

[aar5ac]

If you have entered the lat/long properly and usls won't find the right satellite then it's an alignment problem. The pole mount has to be perfectly level all the way around and MUST be pointed due south and that needs to be dead nuts on or it wont work. The best way I found to do that is to align to your direct south satellite. Don't worry about your east/west most satellite yet. I believe you said AMC9 is your due south. Here's how you do it. Assuming the pole is verticle as I said before, go to the usls and select AMC9 on the receiver, the 2100 will move the dish to where it thinks AMC9 is. Make sure you have slected an active transponder to tune to. For AMC9 try 11940V sr 20000 and FEC 3/4. These are all encrypted but it's a strong transponder and you will get a lock. With that done, go up to the roof and physically move the whole dish and mount assembly a degree or two at a time, one way and then another until you get a lock. It helps greatly to get the $20 signal meter from Sadoun then you can move from one satellite to another until the receiver locks. (much easier) Once you get a lock then peak the signal by moving the dish up and down slightly to get the best signal. When you do it like this, you will be pointed perfectly on due south. If the pole is level and you properly peak the dish you really don't have to worry about your further east/west satellite. It will be right on. If the pole isn't level that's when you have trouble with the arc and only be able to track a few of the satellites. Good luck

[F3Beam]

Originally Posted by bobkat

Don't forget you need to set the east and west limits on the receiver setup first. This will allow a wider swing then 40 degrees either way.

kat

I think factory setup on the SG2100 is 70º. What I mean is that I have less than a 40º view of the sky each way. A narrow view between the trees.

[F3Beam]

Originally Posted by aar5ac

If you have entered the lat/long properly and usls won't find the right satellite then it's an alignment problem. The pole mount has to be perfectly level all the way around and MUST be pointed due south and that needs to be dead nuts on or it wont work. The best way I found to do that is to align to your direct south satellite. Don't worry about your east/west most satellite yet. I believe you said AMC9 is your due south. Here's how you do it. Assuming the pole is verticle as I said before, go to the usls and select AMC9 on the receiver, the 2100 will move the dish to where it thinks AMC9 is. Make sure you have slected an active transponder to tune to. For AMC9 try 11940V sr 20000 and FEC 3/4. These are all encrypted but it's a strong transponder and you will get a lock. With that done, go up to the roof and physically move the whole dish and mount assembly a degree or two at a time, one way and then another until you get a lock. It helps greatly to get the $20 signal meter from Sadoun then you can move from one satellite to another until the receiver locks. (much easier) Once you get a lock then peak the signal by moving the dish up and down slightly to get the best signal. When you do it like this, you will be pointed perfectly on due south. If the pole is level and you properly peak the dish you really don't have to worry about your further east/west satellite. It will be right on. If the pole isn't level that's when you have trouble with the arc and only be able to track a few of the satellites. Good luck

My problem is I can understand the satellites directions.
If 58º West means my dish points to the East, I'm lost. West is East?
Is AMC 9 due south of my location? How can I find out? I'm at 37.7N
and 91.1W...that is my location.

My mounting pole is exactly vertical.
Motor & Dish pointing as due south as I can get w/compass.
It is on the ground and easy to get to.
I do have a satellite signal finder.

But AMC 9 is not in my Satellite List. I only have AMC 1-8 Listed.
Wish I had AMC 9 in my list to go to.

And this:

Make sure you have slected an active transponder to tune to. For AMC9 try 11940V sr 20000 and FEC 3/4

I don't know this but might can figure it out by playing around w/receiver.

I can't figure out if a satellite is East or West of my location. I thought
PAS 9 at 58.0º West would be in the West. But my dish looks East.

[aar5ac]

IF you have not read Sadouns Installation instructions on the websight then you should do that first. The E & W of the satellite location only means east and west of the 0 degree mark. Here in the states all the sat's are West locations. Galaxy 11 is at 91W so that will be your true South satellite, it just depends where you live. Do what I said before but use the USLS to move the dish to Galaxy 11 and for a transponder you can put in 12060 Vertical polarization and a symbol rate of 26700 and fec of 3/4. Thats a good strong transponder with some encrypted channels and some free to air. Once you have done that and have the receiver set do what I said before, go up to the roof with your meter and move the dish & mount assembly until you get a hit on the meter and go back in and check the receiver and when the bar on the receiver turns green you have a signal lock. Go back up on the roof and peak the signal and then tighten all the mounting bolts down as tight as you can. If you have to adjust the elevation of the dish up or down to peak the dish you only adjust the dish elevation. The sg2100 mount will already have been set at 37.7N which corresponds to your location. Your mount is working fine. You are at 91.1 deg west so when you try to select pas9 at 58W your dish will move to the east to go from 91W to 58W, understand?? Good luck it's not that tough.

[dtsexpert]

See my other reply. Anyway, I will try to answer again:
Your true south satellite is G11 at 91W. Truesouth sat is the center.
You have to move the dish to the EAST to get AMC3, AMC9.....PAS9
You have to move the dish to the WEST to get Telstar6, G3C.......G10R
Michael

Originally Posted by F3Beam

My problem is I can understand the satellites directions.
If 58º West means my dish points to the East, I'm lost. West is East?
Is AMC 9 due south of my location? How can I find out? I'm at 37.7N
and 91.1W...that is my location.

My mounting pole is exactly vertical.
Motor & Dish pointing as due south as I can get w/compass.
It is on the ground and easy to get to.
I do have a satellite signal finder.

But AMC 9 is not in my Satellite List. I only have AMC 1-8 Listed.
Wish I had AMC 9 in my list to go to.

And this:

I don't know this but might can figure it out by playing around w/receiver.

I can't figure out if a satellite is East or West of my location. I thought
PAS 9 at 58.0º West would be in the West. But my dish looks East.

[spyder]

>>>I can't figure out if a satellite is East or West of my location. I thought
PAS 9 at 58.0º West would be in the West. But my dish looks East.<<<

If AMC9 is your true south satellite, AMC9 is located at 85° west, any satellite with a degree less than that would be to your east, and any satellite with a degree larger would be to your west.
So PAS9 at 58° would be east and G10r at 123° would be to the west.

The west and east designation pertains to (I think) international date-line coordinates and wraps around the earth for 180° from that point.

[dtsexpert]

Spyder,
Base on his Longtitude, his truesouth sat is not AMC9. The truesouth is G11R. If he uses the AMC9 as the truesouth (center), the h-h mount will not track the arc correctly for sure.
Michael

Originally Posted by spyder

>>>I can't figure out if a satellite is East or West of my location. I thought
PAS 9 at 58.0º West would be in the West. But my dish looks East.<<<

If AMC9 is your true south satellite, AMC9 is located at 85° west, any satellite with a degree less than that would be to your east, and any satellite with a degree larger would be to your west.
So PAS9 at 58° would be east and G10r at 123° would be to the west.

The west and east designation pertains to (I think) international date-line coordinates and wraps around the earth for 180° from that point.

[spyder]

Originally Posted by dtsexpert

Spyder,
Base on his Longtitude, his truesouth sat is not AMC9. The truesouth is G11R. If he uses the AMC9 as the truesouth (center), the h-h mount will tracks the arc correctly for sure.
Michael

That's why I added the "if" at the begining of that statement, assuming he had already made that assesment.

edited to add: also I think your reply to him came in just ahead of mine, so I didn't see the info you provided until a later return. I think we're back on the right track now. :lol:

[F3Beam]

Okay guys, I think I got it. THANKS ALOT!!!!!
"Your true south satellite is G11 at 91W." I don't know how you
figured this out but that is a great help. If it is not in my list of satellites on my Fortec Lifetime I'll update with the latest NA TP list.

"Here in the states all sats are in the West location" That's
what I didn't know. When I entered for a sat 58W I couldn't
understand my dish moving East. I didn't trust it enough to loosen my brackets and adjust anything. I think I got what I needed to know now.

Here's what I've got on my screen:
G11/KU 91.0W
LNB type: Universal 1
LNB Local-Freq: 9750/10600
22kHz: ---
DiSEqC: Off
LNB Power: On
0/12 v: 0 Volt
TP: 12060v26.700
Positioner Setting: USALS
Satellite Scan: FTA

I'm not using a switch.
The TP won't stay like that. When I exit it goes back to
10964 v 19.850. ???. Won't save 12060v26.700.

FEC of 3/4, what/where is that?
Is that "Aspect Ratio 4:3 ???

I'll hook my signal meter up and see if I can get a signal
like this. Later.

[F3Beam]

I tried to find a signal with the settings I listed above...
only the TP=10964 v 19.850 as it won't save the 12060v26.700.

I set the little "Satellite Finder," model SF-95, needle on 5.
Moving the assembly I could only get a strength reading of 6.
Adjusting the dish declination slightly increased the reading to 8.
Tried adjusting assembly again but 8 was about the best I could get.
Not as dynamic as I expected.

Came inside. Scanned Satellite G11/KU in FTA mode. Nothing found.
Scanned TP's, nothing found. Are my settings wrong.


My friend up the road ordered a complete Lifetime system w/stab HH motor from Sadoun. He received the "Out of Stock" motor yesterday. I know I'm gonna have to put it up for him. He also received a small satellite signal finder free with his order but it wasn't packed too good
and his signal finder got busted...crushed. Does the Satellite Finder I
borrowed...does the 5 to 8 jump seem normal?

But something isn't right or I should have found a signal on my Lifetime,
which I did not.

[aar5ac]

10964V is not currently an active transponder on G11. I don't have the lifetime receiver I have the 786V3 but with mine after you change a transponder you have to select "save". Or if for some reason it wont let you add a transponder you can change an existing transponder. You can also try 11995 Horizontal with a symbol rate of 3979 and a FEC of 3/4. Yes adjusting the declination on the mount is of course affecting the dish elevation and you adjust the dish to get the strongest signal on the meter. If you come close to maxing the meter out then turn the gain on the meter back for a mid scale reading and try again. There are several sat's between 91W and 93W so you might not be aimed at the right satellite yet. You can move the dish to a spot where there is no sat and turn the gain up until you get a 3 or 4 reading on the meter at the dish and then move again til you get a good hit. That makes the meter more sensitive, only when peaking the dish turn the gain down a bit. Your just about there. Also don't scan FTA right now. Scan in Auto All for the maximum number channels and you can delete later.

[F3Beam]

Where is FEC? I can't find that setting.
I just changed the 0/12v setting to 12 volt and saved.
Went out to get a reading with my Satellite Finder.
This time I set it on 2. Moving assembly/Dish brought
the signal strength up to almost 8. Better than before.

My Lifetime won't allow me to change TP's with this setup.
Maybe if I change LNB type to "Standard"? NOPE! Just tried.
I can change all the other settings and save. But the TP
setting won't save after I change it.

Also, I did a scan for "All." Still nothing.

Originally Posted by aar5ac

Your just about there.

Looks more like hopeless to me. :?