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Old 03-14-2007, 11:02 AM
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2 Receivers one SG2100

I was reading a post a while ago about running SG2100 motor with two different receivers. I'm curious to know how is done. I have the Fortec Platinum and a ST3688 and was messing around with them trying to give a go. What I found out was that the setting I was previously using on the Platinum did not work with the ST3688. So stupid me went ahead and reset the SG2100 to work with the ST 3688. It work great until I try to use the other receiver. Needless to say I had to reset the Platinum all over again. Lucky for me this receiver has USAUL. What a time saver. I take it that I would have a better chance to make it work if both receivers were the same brand.

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I was reading a post a while ago about running SG2100 motor with two different receivers. I'm curious to know how is done. I have the Fortec Platinum and a ST3688 and was messing around with them trying to give a go. What I found out was that the setting I was previously using on the Platinum did not work with the ST3688. So stupid me went ahead and reset the SG2100 to work with the ST 3688. It work great until I try to use the other receiver. Needless to say I had to reset the Platinum all over again. Lucky for me this receiver has USAUL. What a time saver. I take it that I would have a better chance to make it work if both receivers were the same brand.

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The brand shouldn't matter. What is important is that you use the same position number for each sat on both receivers. All the receiver does is tell the motor to go to what is saved in position # 27 in the motor or whatever number you have saved for that sat. But if you have a sat listed as #27 on one receiver, and as #28 on another receiver, then DiseqC won't work for one of them. USALS, on the other hand calculates the sat positions in the receiver, so you don't need to save anything on the motor.
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I use 2 receivers utelizing the quad lnb.This works great.When I move to a satellite using my primary receiver,I can then get any station on that sat.
I use a MercuryII for my primary and a Fortec Ultra for the other.Separate downleads to each.You can also use the feedthrue on your receiver,but the access to stations is more limited.
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I'm going to hook up both receivers to a Quad. I do not have it yet but is coming. I thought I could get them to work independently of each other. Meaning, being able to move the dish from different locations. Like having one in my bedroom and the other one in the family room. I would have loved to control the SG2100 from both location but I don't see how that can be accomplished. Anyways, thanks for the info.
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:33 PM
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I'm going to hook up both receivers to a Quad. I do not have it yet but is coming. I thought I could get them to work independently of each other. Meaning, being able to move the dish from different locations. Like having one in my bedroom and the other one in the family room. I would have loved to control the SG2100 from both location but I don't see how that can be accomplished. Anyways, thanks for the info.
I actually have this setup working right now. I have a quad LNBF that I am going to hook into a DiSEqC switch this spring to get circular FTA. Right now, just the one cable going out to the motor and the dish. The 2nd receiver is slaved to the first receiver. I leave the rear power switch on both receivers in the ON position. I can use EITHER receiver but not BOTH at the same time. Either receiver can move the dish.

Lets say that receiver #2 is on G10R and receiver #1 is on G25. The first thing that happens whenever I power EITHER receiver on using the front panel ON/OFF or the remote button is the dish moves to whatever was the last sat being watched.

I know this limits my viewing, but, my family does not watch FTA unless I am watching it, and I cant be in two places at once, so there is no chance of overlap.

I've not tried to power both receivers on at the same time because I don't know what the outcome would be. My thinking is that IF I tried to turn #2 on while #1 is on, that #1 would keep any DiSEqC signals from being passed to the dish.

With a quad, only one receiver could move the dish, but, how then would the 2nd receiver know which satellite it was pointed at? For this reason, I have chosen just to slave two receivers, which works great for my setup.
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Thanks for the info. I need to get a different receiver to replace the aging ST 3688. That thing is probably on his last leg. I have been looking into the FS5900 mainly because is cheap. Any pros and cons on this receiver?

Last night I was scanning what I call AMC 3/PBS Sat and found 4 more channels (12121 H 30000). One ch. is HD another is in Spanish and the other two are PBS feeds. Also, 12112 H 30000 has the same programing. It wouldn't surprise me that some how is a duplicate of 12121. You see my ST3688 likes to duplicate a lot of thing when scanning.
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When using a second output from the LNB,you only have to be on the same sat as your master box and you can get all channels on that sat independently from the master box.You need to set your second receiver to the same sat,thats all.
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I actually have this setup working right now. I have a quad LNBF that I am going to hook into a DiSEqC switch this spring to get circular FTA. Right now, just the one cable going out to the motor and the dish. The 2nd receiver is slaved to the first receiver. I leave the rear power switch on both receivers in the ON position. I can use EITHER receiver but not BOTH at the same time. Either receiver can move the dish.

Lets say that receiver #2 is on G10R and receiver #1 is on G25. The first thing that happens whenever I power EITHER receiver on using the front panel ON/OFF or the remote button is the dish moves to whatever was the last sat being watched.

I know this limits my viewing, but, my family does not watch FTA unless I am watching it, and I cant be in two places at once, so there is no chance of overlap.

I've not tried to power both receivers on at the same time because I don't know what the outcome would be. My thinking is that IF I tried to turn #2 on while #1 is on, that #1 would keep any DiSEqC signals from being passed to the dish.

With a quad, only one receiver could move the dish, but, how then would the 2nd receiver know which satellite it was pointed at? For this reason, I have chosen just to slave two receivers, which works great for my setup.
This topic came up recently in another thread, but I think it deserves more discussion. What is described above depends on doing something that most tvro hobbiests think is a bad idea, and that is to slave receivers without using a DC-block between them. Conventional wisdom basically says that when you have 2 receivers that are trying to send DC-voltage down the coax, sometimes at different voltages, that it is possible or likely to have a conflict between the 2 power supplies, ie one trying to keep the voltage at 13V and the other trying to keep it at 18V. Some people claim that doing this can result in damage to one or both of the receivers, so they recommend using a cheap DC-block between the receivers. I, like most hobbiests, don't know whether any damage to the receivers is possible, but I decided long ago that it sounded safer to just put in the DC-block, and not worry about possible damage.

In the above example, the likelihood of damage might be reduced because both receivers are not powered on at the same time, or at least they aren't supposed to be. I don't know if this reduces the likelihood of damage or not, because you are still feeding voltage into one of the "off" receivers.

However, apparently the above seems to work, so I can't argue with success. But the decision about whether to do that or not should be made with the knowledge that you may be feeding current back into one of your receivers. It should also be made with the knowledge that depending on where your receivers are relative to your TVs, there may be other options that don't involve any risk.

In my case, I slave receivers off other receivers, but I use DC-blocks between them. This means that basically only one receiver can control each dish, and the slaved receivers have to watch whatever satellite/polarity the main receiver is tuned to. This doesn't hamper what I can watch, even though I watch in a different room from the receivers, because I use those RS pyramid remote extenders. It does, however make it a bit complicated to tune the slaved receivers at times though. For example, my main (big) dish is controlled by an analog receiver, I have my Fortec Ultra slaved to this receiver after a DC block. I then have a Twinhan 1020a slaved to the Ultra, and either a Broadlogic card, a Fortec Mercury, or a DSR 4200 DCII receiver slaved to the Twinhan. For the Ultra, before I can tune in any satellite, I have to tell the analog receiver to move the dish and change to the proper polarity. Before I can tune anything on either the Twinhan or the Broadlogic, 4200 or Mercury, I need to set the Ultra to either C or Ku, because the Ultra controls the DiseqC switch which chooses the band. It gets a bit complicated at times, but it works, and it works without me needing to ever leave my recliner, which is upstairs in the living room, even though all the receivers are in the basement.

Similarly, my 3' dish has a quad lnbf, and a SG2100, both of which are controlled by my Fortec Lifetime receiver I slave this receiver to any of the above mentioned receivers, ie either my 2nd DSR4200, or sometimes to the Twinhan or Broadlogic or Mercury, again with DC-blocks between each receiver. And again, before I can watch anything via the slaved receivers, I need to first tune the Fortec Lifetime to the proper satellite/polarity. Again, complicated, but it can be done without the need to have multiple receivers controlling the same dish.

I know that in some cases, because of the location of the equipment, that what I do won't work, but I just wanted to suggest that there are usually other options to consider to avoid connecting receivers without a DC-block.

As an afterthought to the above, one might ask, why would I use the slaved receivers if I need to be able to view the main receiver to tune them? Good question, and if I just had 2 equal set top boxes, it wouldn't be logical. But in my case, each of my receivers does something different. I use my Twinhan for all "quality" viewing and recording, but use the Fortec receivers for casual viewing and TIVO recording, I use the Broadlogic for spectrum scans, and the 4200s for DCII viewing. If I just had 2 STBs, there really wouldn't be any need for slaving. I'd just run the signal from the main receiver to different rooms.

Anyway, just some alternative ideas.
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Old 03-26-2007, 09:32 AM
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Here is an update. I finally got my Mercury ll last week so ditched the ST3688. I went ahead and set up the Mercury ll, by the way this receiver's menu is more complicated than I thought, in my Fm room and the Platinum in my bedroom. I went to the dish and hooked up the Quad and a Diseqc switch. Then I installed a A/B switch at the motor. So, when ever I get thrown out of my Fm room all I have to do is go outside and flip the switch among other things.

I'm using USALS on both units and so far is working great. I do turn off which ever unit I'm not using.

I do have a question, what do I have to do to compensate for the extra weight on the Quad? I have notice some signal loss.
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