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Old 08-17-2006, 11:24 PM
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elevation question, and a couple other ones

I am new here, and had been out of the BUD scene since i was a teen. I had a summer job installing BUD's in the mountains of Colorado. Brings back many good memories. i have several offers for free systems and figured it would be a good time to get back into BUD's.

1st question- My yard is smaller then most here but i have a fairly good south view. I am at 39.65^ north, which if i figured it correctly puts the elevation at 44.12^? when looking at other sat's in the arc does that elevation stay the same? (this question is for siting purpose)

2nd question- what is up with motorola's 4dtv.com site. I can't seem to find it. Has motorola stopped making this unit? Do they have a replacement.

3rd question- The Rocky mountain 8 package, at one point they were going to limit that to people in colorado but i have seen websites saying "its back, and its better" are there any current limits in getting this package outside of Colorado

Thanks , and hope to get this BUD up soon. / Rob
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Old 08-18-2006, 07:06 AM
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check out this web site should answer all your questions on setting up a BUD. http://www.geo-orbit.org
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Old 08-18-2006, 07:26 AM
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I am new here, and had been out of the BUD scene since i was a teen. I had a summer job installing BUD's in the mountains of Colorado. Brings back many good memories. i have several offers for free systems and figured it would be a good time to get back into BUD's.

1st question- My yard is smaller then most here but i have a fairly good south view. I am at 39.65^ north, which if i figured it correctly puts the elevation at 44.12^? when looking at other sat's in the arc does that elevation stay the same? (this question is for siting purpose)
Technically yes but the arc is an arc so your mount actually lowers the dish as it rolls out to the sides/ends. Elevation is a fixed setting that does not change once set properly.

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2nd question- what is up with motorola's 4dtv.com site. I can't seem to find it. Has motorola stopped making this unit? Do they have a replacement.
www.satforums.com As far as I know the DSR922 is the current 4DTV receiver.


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3rd question- The Rocky mountain 8 package, at one point they were going to limit that to people in colorado but i have seen websites saying "its back, and its better" are there any current limits in getting this package outside of Colorado

Thanks , and hope to get this BUD up soon. / Rob
www.callnps.com that should answer any questions you have in 4DTV programming. If not you can always call them.
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Old 08-18-2006, 08:09 AM
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1st question- My yard is smaller then most here but i have a fairly good south view. I am at 39.65^ north, which if i figured it correctly puts the elevation at 44.12^? when looking at other sat's in the arc does that elevation stay the same? (this question is for siting purpose)
THe 44.1 degrees is the "elevation" of a sat to your south. Any other geostationary sat will have a smaller elevation as the elevation gets smaller as you go to the east or west. However the question is, are you really asking about the elevation. The term elevation really only applies to an az/el mount, and most bud systems use polar mounts, and the elevation of a sat isn't really involved directly. With a polar mount, you set the rotation axis at an inclination (I know people refer to it as an elevation here, but I don't think that term is really appropriate, but I can't think of a better term other than inclination, which isn't that good either.), and that inclination is approximately 90 minus your latitude, or better yet, about 0.6 degrees less than this number. This inclination of the motor rotation axis doesn't change from sat to sat.
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2nd question- what is up with motorola's 4dtv.com site. I can't seem to find it. Has motorola stopped making this unit? Do they have a replacement.
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http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?...ctId=5050-8100


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3rd question- The Rocky mountain 8 package, at one point they were going to limit that to people in colorado but i have seen websites saying "its back, and its better" are there any current limits in getting this package outside of Colorado
I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing, but there used to be a package of Denver local stations that were available for subscription, but these stations and the other similar service, (Prime Time 24 or something like that), were then taken away from TVRO'ers because local network stations at the viewer's location had rights for the network programming at that location. A compromise was worked out whereby people who were in a fringe area where they could not receive OTA stations or had never received these channels via cable could subscribe to these stations. However it was virtually impossible for anyone other than in an extremely remote area to qualify, as the "B" contour (or some term like that) extended out to something like 100 miles from the OTA stations, even in mountainous areas where reception was impossible even with huge rooftop antennas. Apparently the only exception was that if you previously subscribed before they took the service away, you could continue to subscribe. I subscribed, but dropped my subscription, and they wouldn't let me "re-subscribe". So basically 99% of the people in the country don't live in an area where you can subscribe to these stations. At least that was the case the last time I looked into it, but it has been many years since I checked up on this, so maybe things have changed.
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Thanks for the replies,

I guess elevation wouldn't be a proper term in this case, i am looking for the proper degree of the arc for the sat's on the left and right side of the arc.

I think that i should be able to get a clear view of most (maybe 2/3) of the sat's, but lets say if i am looking for AMC 1 (103^) or Galaxy 15 (133^) how would I check to see if i am going to have a clear view?
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Basic concept you should be able to see up at a 30 degree angle with a clear view. Kinda depends where you are as to the severity of the angle but 30 degrees is safe.
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use a compass and the table at www.sadoun.com
under technical support stationary system setup.
it will give you the azimuth for these sats.
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