Multi-LNB switch diagrams?

[barakan27]

I got a Dish500 & want to upgrade. I've already bought a Moteck SG2100 and considering a Fortec 36" dish, plus a Invacom QPH-031. I've also got two circular dual LNB's (Captive Works) plus 3 Coolsat 5000's receivers. I got a multi-bracket LNB holder & would like all 3 LNB's connected. That makes it 8 ports and 3 receivers. I know that the motor is controlled by only one receiver. What is the best combination of switch or switches to go about it? Any connection diagrams? Can the Invacom receive 2 circular birds at the same time (like 82 + 91 or 110 + 119)? Many thanks for your help.

[bobkat]

http://www.sadoun.net/forums/dish-ne...king-talk.html

Please read the above before posting any further comments.

Thanks

kat

[barakan27]

Sorry Kat, my sincere apologies. I'm honestly in search of true Free To Air setup, since I'm bilingual. It is my understanding that most FTA channels are linear, thus my idea of having am Invacom LNB. I'm not sure if I'll need that many LNB's, aside from the Quad Invacom, but just in case...could this LNB get reception of two satellites at the same time? I would imagine most of the time I would have the dish stationary, pointing at maybe 2-3 satellites. Any help with the switches will be appreciated. Right now I'm stuck with the decision because I don't know what switches to use. Thanks again.

[rainman]

sorry the invacom can only receive 1 sat at a time. but can receive 2 transponders from that sat.

[bobkat]

Originally Posted by barakan27

(like 82 + 91 or 110 + 119)

These are "true Free To Air" satellites ??? Are you a Bell ExpressVu or Dishnetwork subscriber? Merely wishing to add to your available paid channels? If so - cool; we'll help you. If not....

kat

[barakan27]

Originally Posted by bobkat

These are "true Free To Air" satellites ??? Are you a Bell ExpressVu or Dishnetwork subscriber? Merely wishing to add to your available paid channels? If so - cool; we'll help you. If not....

kat

I subscribe to Directv, if that is what you mean. I currently getting 110/119, get HBO, Max, TMC, Discovery, etc, but cannot get any linear satellites. At least that's what they told me. My provider knows very little about larger dishes, LNB's, etc. I'm in South Florida...famous for its many storms. I need a bigger dish & better LNB for reception purposes. I've gone to Lyngsat & found many ethnic (Spanish) satellites that I'm interested in getting. Again, if I'm not able to say 110/119, my apologies, but they are listed in the Lyngsat website.

[bobkat]

82 and 91 are Bell ExpressVu satellites and there is nothing free on those.

Yes, providers know very little about FTA and larger dishes... Typical.

Anyway, all you need to know can be found on this forum. Welcome..

kat

[wejones]

Originally Posted by barakan27

I subscribe to Directv, if that is what you mean. I currently getting 110/119, get HBO, Max, TMC, Discovery, etc, but cannot get any linear satellites. At least that's what they told me. My provider knows very little about larger dishes, LNB's, etc. I'm in South Florida...famous for its many storms. I need a bigger dish & better LNB for reception purposes. I've gone to Lyngsat & found many ethnic (Spanish) satellites that I'm interested in getting. Again, if I'm not able to say 110/119, my apologies, but they are listed in the Lyngsat website.

THere is nothing wrong with MENTIONING "82 + 91 or 110 + 119" , it's just that the mods seem to have a quick trigger finger when they see people mention those sats because it usually means that the poster is trying to pirate encrypted channels. There are legitimate reasons for tuning in those satellites, since almost all of the DBS sats have occasional FTA channels on them, even the Bell ExpressVu satellites Bobcat mentioned. I have found FTA channels on ALL those channels.

I was about to come to your defense thinking that you might be confused about just what FTA was, however looking at the equipment list you have, I suspect that you are probably not confused, and the mention of those sats does give the impression that you are already doing more than just watching the few unencrypted channels on those DBS sats. Ie nobody buys 3 Coolsat 5000 receivers to pick up NASA TV plus a couple music channels on 110/119. SO, even though your questions have not involved any pirating activity, I think I would ask, just what are you using the 3 Coolsat receivers for? Because once you make it clear what you're doing, I think there may be a reluctance by some to give aid on any topic.

[bobkat]

Originally Posted by wejones

nobody buys 3 Coolsat 5000 receivers to pick up NASA TV plus a couple music channels on 110/119.

My sentiments exactly. But we must give barakan27 the benefit of the doubt.

kat

[barakan27]

If I wanted piracy information, I would go to a pirate website...there are plenty out there. I never claimed to be a naive saint, just a newbie. Thanks God I have the moneys to pay for equipment and services. I have a lot of things, I just mentioned the ones that I figured related to the topic. Directv installed a 4 bedroom system in my home & it is just working fine. I bought a Dish500 +3 Coolsats from Craigs list, a dude told me that I could get FTA channels (and yes, I know what are those now) with this. I set it up & even bought a motor for a 22" dish. Dude disappeared. It took me a while to find out the difference between Circular and Linear LNB's; mind you 1 1/2 month ago I didn't even know that FTA existed. So wife is bitching about our home looking like NASA & just wants one dish. Thought about the 36" & a set of LNB's, if possible. Directv said it would be okay to change equipment, just tell them what I had. They say Coolsats and their system could be linked just fine (through switches? 2 boxes?billing?) couldn't give me more details. I want Directv and FTA channels in one dish. That's why I'm lost with switches. But you know what,, too much of a hazzle & too much static. I will get help from a local technician. My apologies for nothing again, since I feel I've done nothing wrong. Good bye. Please delete & cancel my account.

[elgemcdlf]

You will most likely would be best to leave your Dish Network/ DirecTV system intact. Adding a FTA system for Spanish language works very well. Even if only Ku from southern IN I have just over 50 channels. When you add in linear C band I get 123. I am getting ready to add some dedicated dishes and try to get all out there which is 192. Plus radio

[bobkat]

Originally Posted by barakan27

If I wanted piracy information, I would go to a pirate website...there are plenty out there. I never claimed to be a naive saint, just a newbie. Thanks God I have the moneys to pay for equipment and services. I have a lot of things, I just mentioned the ones that I figured related to the topic. Directv installed a 4 bedroom system in my home & it is just working fine. I bought a Dish500 +3 Coolsats from Craigs list, a dude told me that I could get FTA channels (and yes, I know what are those now) with this. I set it up & even bought a motor for a 22" dish. Dude disappeared. It took me a while to find out the difference between Circular and Linear LNB's; mind you 1 1/2 month ago I didn't even know that FTA existed. So wife is bitching about our home looking like NASA & just wants one dish. Thought about the 36" & a set of LNB's, if possible. Directv said it would be okay to change equipment, just tell them what I had. They say Coolsats and their system could be linked just fine (through switches? 2 boxes?billing?) couldn't give me more details. I want Directv and FTA channels in one dish. That's why I'm lost with switches. But you know what,, too much of a hazzle & too much static. I will get help from a local technician. My apologies for nothing again, since I feel I've done nothing wrong. Good bye. Please delete & cancel my account.

Now don't get all huffy !!

Its just that we get so darned many newbies jumping into the forums trying to get hacking information, oftened very well disguised. Sorry if we tarred you with the same brush, but yes, we do have itchy trigger fingers, and yes, we do sometimes jump to inappropriate conclusions. One must admit, having 3 Coolsat receivers does look a little suspicious. And DirecTv was wrong if they told you Coolsat receivers will work with their service; no way. As for everything on one dish -- way too complicated as elgemcdlf says. However, I suspect the WAF (Wife Approval Factor) of having more than one dish is pretty low...

Whatever you decide I hope you will stick around. Again, I am sorry for the rough welcome.

kat

[elgemcdlf]

Originally Posted by barakan27

If I wanted piracy information...& cancel my account.

Ah fell into the "you can do FTA with a DN/DTV dish" trap. Same here when I very first started with DVB MPEG2. Dish is to small. If you are running a basic simple DTV system I think you could use an Invacom lnbf on a 36" dish and tie the C ports to your DTV receivers and the L ports to your FTA receivers BUT you are short 2 C ports and 1 L port for the number of receivers you have listed.

Then run your a/v into a a/b type box (be sure to get a hi freq) so you can switch back and forth between the two. I would definitely have a knowledgable DTV tech on hand while doing all this as they know far more about their switches and receivers.

I have a complete system totally compatable for DTV or DN just waiting for the day they might release CAMs and programming but at this time neither will authorize any receiver that is not one of theirs.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Ah fell into the "you can do FTA with a DN/DTV dish" trap. Same here when I very first started with DVB MPEG2. Dish is to small. If you are running a basic simple DTV system I think you could use an Invacom lnbf on a 36" dish and tie the C ports to your DTV receivers and the L ports to your FTA receivers BUT you are short 2 C ports and 1 L port for the number of receivers you have listed.

Then run your a/v into a a/b type box (be sure to get a hi freq) so you can switch back and forth between the two. I would definitely have a knowledgable DTV tech on hand while doing all this as they know far more about their switches and receivers.

I have a complete system totally compatable for DTV or DN just waiting for the day they might release CAMs and programming but at this time neither will authorize any receiver that is not one of theirs.

Your including DTV into that last sentence caught my attention. I didn't think any of the hardware you have listed would lock a DTV signal even if a CAM was supplied?

But your statement above about having a DTV tech on hand because the switches are complicted is true, and makes it seem to me that the one dish solution is much more complicated than it is worth. Ie I'd stick by your previous advise to keep the DTV or Dishnet systems separate, and go to a 2 dish solution. Much simpler.

I'm still baffled by the 3 coolsat receivers though.

[reho33]

Well I guess he left. But look, common sense would tell you that if you sub to a service, that service should provide you with the equipment and support if you have a problem. I know that there are occasional "free" channels like GOL TV, NASA, etc. I have even found a movie that is FTA here and there. The bottom line here is that we must be vigilant as a group so that our threads do not get "hijacked". We may piss off the occasional person, but if we lose the objective of the forums, what is left. Plus, do you want to be open to a lawsuit?

[elgemcdlf]

Originally Posted by wejones

Your including DTV...though.

A friend of mine has a single lnb DTV system with 2 receivers they use in bdrms. They are also using a invacom lnbf on a Fortec 80cm dish and identical receiver to mine except it has not had any software upgrades. This is their main living room system. If I run the C side of the invacom into one of the DTV receivers and the dish positioned for the sat they are aligned on with the stationary DTV dish the DTV receiver will put out TV.

I do not remember which of the sats they are aligned on and without actually being there to check their receiver I can not say. We will just playing around one day and experimented. BUT bear in mind this was a subbed DTV receiver so all we really did was replace the dish and lnbf in the system.