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Old 06-23-2006, 07:36 AM
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Broadcasting FTA via the Net

Ok I do not remember who posted the question concerning watching FTA via the net and specifically their FTA receiver. I can not find the thread but did a bit more thinking and hopefully you will see this.

All software required is presently available. You need to start with a box with some form of server OS installed. I am partial to *NIX but the choice is yours. Do not get cheap on hardware. If a single processor go with a straight up Intel P series processor. No Celeron garbage or any of the other hype garbage. Of course you can always go with 64 bit processors Minimum 1 gig RAM. Install a Twinhan card and get it operational. Now you will require some form of high speed Internet connection with a static ip. Dynamic will NOT work.

I do not remember the video card we used to use for Real Video broadcasting but believe simply a TV card. Do not skimp on your video or TV cards. You will need to install Real Video Encoder software. Do your homework here as it may not support 64 bit processors so you would have no need for them and could stick with 32 bit.

You will also need to install on this box either PC Anywhere or VNC. VNC is my preference but it is up to you. This will allow you to control the computer remotely. You could write specific software but this stuff will work off the shelf.

Now it gets a bit tricky. I do not remember if you can run a web server from the encoder or not. Possibly by aliasing the ip may not need to. May also need a seperate box to act as web server. Install Apache as your web server. If memory serves me correct (been many years) you will need to also install Real Video server. Create a web page with a Real Video viewport / applet / whatever you wanna call it & house it in the home directory of the Apache server.

Ok I think I have the send units set up for receiver and control. You will require the same control software. So if you installed VNC on the encoder you will need to install VNC on your laptop. You will also require a web browser of some sort.

DO NOT NETWORK THE ENCODER OR ANY OTHER BOXES IN THIS PLAY TOY TO ANY COMPUTER HOUSING PERSONAL DATA! IN FACT DO NOT NETWORK IT TO ANYTHING EXCEPT THE INTERNET.

If you have to build 2 boxes you will require a second static ip. Ok so far so good. If all is working properly you should be able to log into your encoder remotely via VNC and control the Twinhan controlling software (change channels) and view via the webpage you created. How do we get there without a domain name? Domain names are for people. All computers on the Net have an ip. This is the actual address. So to access the webpage with the viewport you simply type the ip number into the address bar of the browser.

All instructs are provided with every piece of software I have listed here. Have fun.

NOTE: I do not know if it is legal for you to do this. It involves the reproduction of someone elses broadcast. All the work I did in the past was for either a TV or radio station and it was their content we were broadcasting onto the Net. If I were in your shoes I would research the actual legality of doing this. I do not know if the "web tv" stuff has specific signed agreements or can do it because it is FTA.
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I do the following over a local network. I don't see why it wouldn't work over the internet, but I haven't tried it.
I have the Twinhan card on one of my networked computers. It does have a static IP#, but that's not important, as long as you know the IP# that was assigned. I also have UltraVNC server running on that computer, and also have the free VLC media player installed. Most importantly, I have TSREADER installed on that computer.
On whatever remote computer I want to view video on, I have VLC media player installed, as well as the ULTRAVNC viewer.
From the remote computer, I run UltraVNC, and connect to the computer which has the Twinhan card. From the UltraVNC window, I can start up TSREADER, and can control the Twinhan card from that. When I tune in a signal I want to watch, I click on that stream in TSREADER, and tell it to Play the channel with VLC. TSREADER starts streaming to the local host, and the VLC window will pop up in UltraVNC, but you can't see any video. I then shut down VLC in the UltraVNC window, however TSREADER is still streaming the video to the local host.
Now, on my remote computer I run VLC, and tell it to open a network stream. I select HTTP mode, and type in the IP# of the computer with the Twinhan, with a :1234 after the IP#. At this point, video pops up on the VLC screen on my remote computer. This works great over a 50MBPS wireless net for SD, and works pretty well for most HD over a dedicated 100MBPS wired net. I don't know what speeds most broadband people have on the internet, since I only connect via a dialup, which is why I've never tried this over the internet. SD video didn't work very well over a 10-baseT wired net, although this depended on what video I was trying to watch. Some was watchable some was not.
The only problem I'd see getting it to go over the internet, would be figuring out the routing to the computer running the Twinhan. I've experimented a bit with the router, telling it to route specific ports to that computer, and it "seems" to work, however I haven't been able to experiment with video since I have such a slow connection.
Re security, UltraVNC has passwords. I don't think security is important for the port TSREADER is streaming on. I don't think it can stream to more than one computer at a time anyway.
This is not as sophistocated as a web server, but works beautifully. You can even record programming using VLC from the remote computer. I did this with a HD superbowl stream while watching the SD stream (I don't have HDTV) on regular TV.
Anyway, while not as sophistocated as the web server method, it is an option for people who don't want to install fancy server software or other operating systems on their computer. All of the above are free Windows software, although I'm using the pay version of TSREADER, but anyone with a Twinhan SHOULD invest in that anyway.
Anyway, this is an alternative method that may or may not work over the internet. It is very and simple and works very well over a LAN, and should work over the internet too, but I'm not positive.
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The point being as to security is that nothing is hack proof. Everyone who has publically boasted they were has been hacked. Just because VNC requires a password to get in via VNC the constant open passage of data is an open door. Utilization of VNC is not a required.

Most people have no clue how vulnerable they make themselves with a dedicated "always on" internet connection. The only thing saving them is my guess the masses doing it. Kinda like shooting at a flock of birds. If you are one of the birds you might make it out alive and you might not.

Isolating this type of system only makes sense to me. After all I do not need to have a copy or even use your copy of Quicken to download your db file with all your info. From there it becomes a somewhat easy path to follow I think you get the idea.

Your system will work with one minor exception. Bandwidth availability. Easily controlled over a LAN but unless you are in control of each leg of a WAN you can easily drop considerably. By utilizing software such as Real Video encoder and server you can actually build your stream to specific bandwidth availability. You can actually get pretty good results from using ISDN compression for streaming. You simply build your stream for a bandwidth you believe will always have available.

We even had pretty decent results from 56k settings. This post was only addressing security and bandwidth. As to software required to make it work concept remains the same. I am not familiar with every piece of software Bill listed.
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Thanks for all the input. I am an IT guy and didn't think about Remote Desktop on Windows XP. This would allow you to do it all. My previous post in the other thread was also about true remote control. If you have a Twinhan card, that is PC based, it will work. The real challange would be to build an interface that would work with most FTA boxes, and control that through the Web. It might be impossible but fun to try anyway. If anyone on this forum wants to try, go ahead and we will keep a thread (maybe a sticky or another category) to keep track of the progress, etc. Again, not that it's needed, just cool.
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To actually do as you wish it would require writing totally new or at least pretty close to totally new receiver software. To my knowledge the 9 pin interface is simply for uploading software and channel info. You would have to write software for the receiver that used the connector differently.
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If it's not a Twinhan or box with Ethernet interface, like Dreambox, then you need that IR bluster to control that regular STB from your computer.
Controlling a software program on your computer remotely is the easiest part
and it can be VNC, remote desktop, X - protocol, or even plain telnet.
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