3 days and not 1 signal on my 36" motor dish

[jerryw12]

hello there i installed a 36" dish sg2100 motor and invacom Qph031 lnb, i have a coolsat 5000 rec. i am at 40 .09 N , 74.48 W , i set my motor at 50 deg. and the dish angle about 23.7 deg. and yes the pole is 100% verticle.

i am using sat 72 AMC6 for my southern most sat . i set the assembly on the pole at 194 deg true south (180 + 14 deg. magnetic deviation correction.). im not using any switches too do the setup of the dish i will do that after i get it aligned. i have tried everything the circular output the linear output , tried too find 110 119 82 91 which i currently have on 2 fixed dishes too 2 recievers. tried various settings on the reciever , and nothing no signals at all.???

i am stumped . i moved the dish using USALS to sat 72 tried too move the whole assembly , i set it back too 194deg true south and tried moving the dish with disq 1.2 settings with the reciever . AND NOTHING
it shouldnt be this difficult
help please.

[gorgievs]

Try to move the dish angle a bit. It seems as though the angles on the dish may be a bit inaccurate. My dish is supposed to be at 22.5 degrees. However, I have it at about 19 degrees.

[pmb1010]

Using RG-6 cable?
RG-59 (regular TV coax) will not work.

Are you using a small TV near the dish for alignment setup with short RG6 cables?

Although I've never used a Coolsat receiver, I did read of trouble with earlier firmware.
You might want to install the latest factory flash on the unit to see if that helps.
http://www.coolsatusa.com/support.htm

[jerryw12]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

Using RG-6 cable?
RG-59 (regular TV coax) will not work.

Are you using a small TV near the dish for alignment setup with short RG6 cables?

Although I've never used a Coolsat receiver, I did read of trouble with earlier firmware.
You might want to install the latest factory flash on the unit to see if that helps.
http://www.coolsatusa.com/support.htm

hello there,
yes i am doing that a small tv and about 6 feet of RG6 when all setup i'll wire it into my system

[pmb1010]

You want the setting on the sg2100's bracket to be your latitude value, or 40 (not 50...) and leave it there.

When you are searching for the satellites, only move dish elevation, and motor side to side on the pole for ajustments.

Move in very small steps, 1/8" will lose the signal very easily.

[jerryw12]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

You want the setting on the sg2100's bracket to be your latitude value, or 40 (not 50...) and leave it there.

When you are searching for the satellites, only move dish elevation, and motor side to side on the pole for ajustments.

Move in very small steps, 1/8" will lose the signal very easily.

hello again yes my latitude setting is 40, been at it all morning and i cant get anything ? even with a sat finder i get nothing. bad lnb maybe???

again im at W74. 48 N 40.09 motor at 40 lat dish at 23.7 approx. right? linear output for sats 70, 72 .

[pmb1010]

Only thing I'd suggest is make sure you have "Single 10750" defined in the system as the lnb.

Maybe remove the motor, try for fixed settings to get assurance that all your stuff works, without the motor & it's settings getting in the way?

AMC6 doesnt have a lot of active transponders on it.

I'd try AMC5, using 11742V for the transponder has strong signals for Utah Education.

For fixed settings: 43.5 dish elevation, and AMC5 is at 186 plus your magnetic of 14 gives 200 for the heading on a compass.

[jerryw12]

hello there well first thing is i filled the mounting pole with cement triple checked its plumb. i eyeballed my dish/motor turned on the reciever and signals 90+ low quality. its a start . so i started moving the assembly and dish . i am getting 82,91,110,119 fine, 94+ signal and quality. as i move the dish around with the reciever i gat 90+ signal all across the arc , but i cant get quality on any other sats. my sat finder also peaks so the signals are there.

using usals is way off , but i can move the dish 4 large moves (east) and a few small moves with the reciever and i saved
in disq 1.2 and get those 4 sats above. save the positions and they are ok . but i cant get the others. like i said signal but no quality.


at least it is working i guess i need too fine tune it . ill keep at it and let you know. thanks for all the help.

QUESTION : are a linear sats on 11742 or 10750 or 10050 are they all different ?

[pmb1010]

You're confusing a couple things.
If you go to www.lyngsat.com, you will see that each of the satellites have transponders and associated frequencies.
Think of them as channels on an FM radio.
You must set your receiver to an 'active' frequency to get some signal, just as you could set your car FM radio to 92.5 and if there is no radio station in your area on that frequency, you wont hear anything.

Now, the 10750 is the frequency that your LNB needs to operate. That will not change. Your box has settings for LNB type (circular or linear) and the frequencie(s) it needs (some linear are dual frequency). The circular LNB's for Dish and Directv use a different setting than the linear LNBs.

Hope that makes things clear as mud..

[jerryw12]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

You're confusing a couple things.
If you go to www.lyngsat.com, you will see that each of the satellites have transponders and associated frequencies.
Think of them as channels on an FM radio.
You must set your receiver to an 'active' frequency to get some signal, just as you could set your car FM radio to 92.5 and if there is no radio station in your area on that frequency, you wont hear anything.

Now, the 10750 is the frequency that your LNB needs to operate. That will not change. Your box has settings for LNB type (circular or linear) and the frequencie(s) it needs (some linear are dual frequency). The circular LNB's for Dish and Directv use a different setting than the linear LNBs.

Hope that makes things clear as mud..

getting clearer , many thanks for the help.

if i have a signal of 90+ can i do one of the scans ( blind , auto,manual) too "tune in " that sats active tp's or do i need too get a higher
signal quality first??

[pmb1010]

I cant speak for a Cool sat unit, but the Fortec models (at least my Ultra does... ) has 2 indicator bars.

One is "signal". Other is "quality". If I dont get locked on a satellite, I dont get any green "quality" indication and that is the important one.
I can get good signals pointing the dish at the ground. But I know it wont get any stations...

So, you need to determine if you are truly locked in on a sat with your value of "90+". I have 80cm dish, and I'm happy with 65 to 70 quality level indicatation. It is rare that I get over 90. Only a few transponders.

The signals on the Dish and Directv sats are much, much stronger than the linear sats. But you wont find more than a couple channels on them.

Remember the receiver is "stupid". It will not know what satellite you are pointing at. You must get locked in on a sat, scan it, find the channels and compare to Lyngsat to match up what you are seeing.

[elgemcdlf]

You most likely do not have your lnb's set up properly and if you are using an illegal receiver you probably can not set them up properly as one of the illegal software setup's I know of uses the DiSeqC settings as sat indicators. Aren't you the same guy that is stealing Dish Network signal in FL along with your son in CO and wanted help setting up to get SatMex5? I find it very interesting you keep honing back in on Echo sats when for a law abiding citizen there is nothing there except music on 119. Unless of course you are a subscriber to Dish network

[jerryw12]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

You most likely do not have your lnb's set up properly and if you are using an illegal receiver you probably can not set them up properly as one of the illegal software setup's I know of uses the DiSeqC settings as sat indicators. Aren't you the same guy that is stealing Dish Network signal in FL along with your son in CO and wanted help setting up to get SatMex5? I find it very interesting you keep honing back in on Echo sats when for a law abiding citizen there is nothing there except music on 119. Unless of course you are a subscriber to Dish network

we dont get cable way out here i the boonies so we have subscribed for years. saw some BUDS and recently decided too try FTA also. i feel a little insulted at the accusations of stealing.

[elgemcdlf]

For some reason my response did not get posted. What are your switch settings? Something you might try is just backing out a bit and only working with one side of the LNBF. Linear. USALS is your friend. If there is a problem with your USALS it is either your input of your location or your dish alignment. If you are attempting to use 1.2 without first having your dish properly aligned to true south and your elevation and declination set properly.

If these 3 items are not 100% correct you are fishing for a needle in a haystack in the dark. Without a metal detector. USALS will help guide you in on alignment of the arc. If you think you are correct for true south and tell USALS to go to 97 degrees you know you are at the correct location from the starting point. If the sat is not there and your lnb settings are correct you are off on your dish alignment.

This thing is very sensitive. 1/8" can make or break signal. Everything I read says declination is sensitive to .06 degrees. In any case either try with just one side of the lnbf first or post your switch settings.

[flobie]

WHATS THE MATTER WITH YOU TALKING TO THE GUY LIKE THAT WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE ? THAT WASNT RIGHT.......
FLOBIE

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

You most likely do not have your lnb's set up properly and if you are using an illegal receiver you probably can not set them up properly as one of the illegal software setup's I know of uses the DiSeqC settings as sat indicators. Aren't you the same guy that is stealing Dish Network signal in FL along with your son in CO and wanted help setting up to get SatMex5? I find it very interesting you keep honing back in on Echo sats when for a law abiding citizen there is nothing there except music on 119. Unless of course you are a subscriber to Dish network

[briand]

flobie --

It's a fair-enough assumption. He's trying to get 110/119 (DishNet) and 82/91 (Bell ExpressVu)... and since he's not in Canada, he's probably not a legitimate subscriber to the latter... and he's not using DishNet or Bell ExpressVu equipment for reception... what conclusion would you come to?

[elgemcdlf]

I trust you make your comment directed at me with complete knowledge as to the original posters history of posts here including all that were deleted by administrative personel.

Dish Network hit hacked boxes back a bit and this forum got flooded with thieves trying to find a way to "fix" their illegal receivers. Why they do not go to the originating source I have no idea unless it goes to "No honor amongst thieves"

The rules clearly state along with being posted everywhere theft of signal is not anything this forum cares to discuss.

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