True South Sat Help

[PABoxster]

Here is my specs:

Latitude 40.1N
Longitude 76.3W
Dish Elevation 38.7
Azimuth 180+12 for dev = 192

Lancaster, PA 17601

I guess my question is, which sat should I be looking for to tune in true south? I tuned into the IA5/KU sat and got 90% quality, but when I moved the sat to a different one, it lost the quality. Went to 0%. Which sat should I be tuning into first for true South?

Thanks!!!

[pmb1010]

For you, AMC5 at 79W and the Utah Education channels would be a good one.

Dont forget, line up at "0" or "reference" to your mag adjusted south setting, then drive using USALS to AMC5. Dial in. That should put you on the arc, pretty close to the top.

Then drive to another Satellite (like IA5).

[PABoxster]

Hey, thanks for the quick response. You da man. I'll give it a try sometime soon. I think I hopefully should be able to do it. I had dialed the ref at 192 and then tuned to IA5 and adjusted for a strong signal but lost the signal as soon as I moved it. This makes sense I should hunt 79 AMC5. I fill ya in when I hopefully Git-r-Done. =)

[PABoxster]

We've tried hitting the AMC5 sat with no luck. Do we need to be on the AMC5/KU or doesn't it really matter? Also, I guess I need verifications on the hardware settings. And what should I be setting the main screen of the AMC5 on the fortec ultra reciever as far as like... it is in Universal 1 ....

Latitude 40.1N
Longitude 76.3W
Dish Elevation 38.7
Azimuth 180+12 for dev = 192

Is the dish Elevation correct 38.7? Is the Azimuth calculations correct? Also, there is also a setting on the motor. What should that be set to as well? degrees wise. Thanks again for all the help.

Also, if you need, maybe I should go back to the settings I had before where I actually got 90% quality on what I thought was the IA5 sat. We picked up about 6 workings channels or so. Cannot confirm what sat it was hitting for sure though. Tell me what you need as far as info on the channel and how I would get that info from the Fortec receiver and I will do it. When we get the 90% quality on that sat, as soon as the motor tries to go to any other sat, it loses quality right away.

Thanks!!!

[PABoxster]

After not getting any signal on AMC5 as far as quality goes. We had gotten the level to go up in the 60's but no quality. I decided to do a power scan of ALL. It found like 195 channels or something like that. There are only a few channels that are viewable. Some say Nagravision, and those get no signal. I did get a strong signal from what it says is AMC5 but I need to confirm.

Here is what the channel info says:

Black Belt Theater Channel
AMC 5/KU <---- Not really sure if this really is it or not.
SFreq 10971 (v)
SR: 13.021

I'm still a novice so I do not know what the Sfreq or SR is. Anyhow, what sat are these on???? Are they really AMC5? It also seems to have found some channels from another sat but when it moves there, no signal, no quality. Seems like I am so close, but still no cigar.

[pmb1010]

I've never had DirectTV or Dish Network, but I do know that "Nagavision" is something to do with one of them.
So I think you are pointing to the wrong satellite with your dish.

Some clarification points - your receiver is "stupid" - it does not recognize what Sat you are pointed at. Thus the weird channels while (what you think might be) AMC5.

SFreq is the Transponder Frequency (think of it as a "channel number).
THe SR is Symbol Rate, a kind of modulation type (think of FM as to AM radio).

So, what you need to do, is not use the blind scan, but put your settings back on AMC5, cycle thru your Transponder selections till you get to 11742V (the transponder freq for the Utah Eductation channels). This one is popular and should already be prefilled in your receiver setup.

For more lists of what Transponder freqs, channels, and symbol rate, take a look here:
http://www.lyngsat.com/amc5.html
and you will see the left column of Transponder frequencies, and over to the center is the Symbol Rate column.

I think you ended up pointing to an Express View (Canada) satellite destined with encrypted stuff for their market (thus the nagavision).

YOu need to hunt some more for AMC5. You MUST be on the active trasnponder 11742V for it to blip up the "quality" level indicator on your display.

[PABoxster]

Are those settings I posted above correct? Or do I have the deviation and elevation wrong? Lancaster, PA 17601

Thanks!

[pmb1010]

What kind of motor, what kind of dish?

I'd say they look pretty good. I'm at 43/80 so you're just south of me and my numbers are very close to that.

Walk away from your dish, in direction of 192 degrees. Go about 30 feet out. Look back at your dish, have it at "reference" or 0 on motor.
Line up your eye on the LNB arm, it should be pointing right at you.
This is very important setting.

[sagirma]

Hello PABoxster,

Your long is 76.3
Your lat is 40.1 (this is also your motor elevation setting you asked about earlier)
Your true south Azimuth is about 191 to 192 estimate
Your true south sattelite is 79 AMC5
(active or hot transponder to use when searching for this bird is :
Freq = 11742 Vertical SR = 11110

Now Dish Elevation , you say 38.7 I assume you have the HH90.

For HH90 its 38.7

When you were getting the Nargvision you were probably pointing at Nimiq 2 at 82 and not AMC5 at 79.

NOTE: Any time you are driving the motor to a new sat to search for signal make you sure you have an active or hot FTA transponder for the particular Sattelite you are aiming for loaded in your reciever.


So set your motor elevation to 40.1 and the Dish elev to 38.7 and set the whole assembly (motor and dish) to your true south or 191 to 192 azimuth, tighten the screws lightly then drive motor to AMC 5, is there signal? if yes then fine tune the signal to the best you can by adjusting your north and south axis and your elevation, this is the highiest point in the arc for you, run a blind scan then save that location setting on the reciever.
Then now drive to IA5 at 97 do you have signal? (use freq of 12090 H SR 20000 for IA5) is there any signal? is it strong enough to get lock and download channels? if not strong enough, without loosening any screws lightly put pressure on the dish to bend dish east or west, does signal increase or decrease? (adjust north/south axis accordingly by following the instructions in the link below) now drive back ao AMC 5 79 do you still have signal? then you can do the same other side of the arc. You want to program the center and middle sats first then go for the farther east and west sats. Then always check back on your true south sat to see if its still gaining good signal. You want to picture the arc as you are doing this, you have your true south sat and the middle sats that will come in easily with relatively good signal, and the farther east and west sats are gonna be a bit tricky since the adjustment at the end of the arc have to be very exact and they are the farthest sats to you.

Also keep in mind to keep the lnb skew at zero as the motor will take care of that when it rotates.

So now I want you to read this article, you are only interested in items 3 through 8, print it and read it a few times, and save yourself some time, it will really make the whole picture come together.

http://www.geo-orbit.org/sizepgs/tun...l#anchor797917

Good luck..

[PABoxster]

Thank you Very much for your help Sagirma. I am gonna give that a try cometime soon.

OK, another question. This is kinda screwing me up. There is an elevation setting on the motor, and there is another elevation setting on the dish as well??? We set them both for 38.7? Is this correct?

Thanks in advance!

Chris

[pmb1010]

Your motor's bracket setting is ALWAYS set to your latitude.
In your case, 40.1, as Sagirma put in bold letters in his response.

Your dish is the only elevation you should adjust when you are dialing things in. That's why I asked what kind of motor you have - it makes the bracket setting on the dish different depending on what motor you have.

He is guessing you have HH90 motor, thus the 38.7 suggestion for that setting.

[PABoxster]

Sorry about that, here is the equiptment info:

The motor is a SM3D12
Invacom QPH-031 Quad LNB
90U Dish
Fortec Lifetime Ultra

Thanks!

[pmb1010]

The LNB you have can pick up both "Linear" and "Circular" signals.
Make sure your RG-6 cable is plugged into one of the "L" ports on the LNB.
Make sure the other end is plugged into the LNB port on Ultra (not ANT port!!!)

In the settings for your system, you must make sure your LNB seting is set to "Standard", and the value is 10750.
If you dont have this set right, it will make it difficult to find the AMC5 signal.

For the SM3D12 type motor, the setting is calucated from this formula:
46.5 minus Declication angle.
Declination angle is found here:
http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installati...NGLE-TABLE.htm
You are at 40 degrees, so your value from that table is 6.26

So for your location, 46.5 minus 6.26 is 40.24
Use 40 on your dish bracket.

[PABoxster]

Dang, I set everything the way everyone told me to and still 0% quality. Anymore suggestions? I set both the motor and the dish at 40 degrees. 192 for the S. Set the AMC to standard and to the University channel. Still no dice, not even a flinch of quality. I dunno what to do. What next?

Thanks

[PABoxster]

Dang, I set everything the way everyone told me to and still 0% quality. Anymore suggestions? I set both the motor and the dish at 40 degrees. 192 for the S. Set the AMC to standard and to the University channel. Still no dice, not even a flinch of quality. I dunno what to do. What next?

Thanks

[PABoxster]

Dang, I set everything the way everyone told me to and still 0% quality. Anymore suggestions? I set both the motor and the dish at 40 degrees. 192 for the S. Set the AMC to standard and to the University channel. Still no dice, not even a flinch of quality. I dunno what to do. What next?

Thanks

[elgemcdlf]

Ok first off if you are still pointed at the same sat as before you are pointed at Amazonas which is at 61 degrees. Thus making you off target by 18 degrees. Almost 1/8 of the distance around your mast. Rotate your dish on the mast to the west 18 degrees.

Now start hunting in a SLOW methodic system to find signal. Moving east to west if nothing try raising the declination a degree and move east to west again. And so on and so on and so on. You will find it. Just takes patience and a very slow hand. If you do not have a small tv close to the dish this task becomes really difficult. I gave up and went to Wally World for $63.00 and bought a 13" color just for tuning a dish.

Steve

[pmb1010]

Please take a picture of your setup, both of the dish, and what the dish is "seeing".

Then maybe we can visually see a problem.

Other than that, it seems like you are on the right track.

Did you:
Put in your LONG and LAT into the Ultra for location settings?

Use USALS as the positioning selection in settings?

When you are pointed at 192 (0 reference, adjusted south) and you drive the motor to AMC5, does the dish move?
How much did it move?