Help me please

[Soundwav]

currently i 82/91 that works on my reciver without the HH90 motor installed on my 18"

ive got my HH90 Installed on a 33" dish with a linear lnb im having a hell of a time finding anything!! not 1 bird.. before i had this motor i had problems finding birds.. but i was able to find amc3.

now im trying to get amc5 as my most south satilite to my location but im not having any luck! can i take my 18" dish that is on 82/91 and install the motor on it do the correct settings. find the 82 bird so i can get an idea as to where i am lock the motor down, then swap out the dish and do the fine tuning to get amc5 (79*) ive been trying to figure out how i can use just the lnb from my 18" but i can not see a way to attach it to the 33" dish..

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Soundwav

currently i 82/91 that works on my reciver without the HH90 motor installed on my 18"

ive got my HH90 Installed on a 33" dish with a linear lnb im having a hell of a time finding anything!! not 1 bird.. before i had this motor i had problems finding birds.. but i was able to find amc3.

now im trying to get amc5 as my most south satilite to my location but im not having any luck! can i take my 18" dish that is on 82/91 and install the motor on it do the correct settings. find the 82 bird so i can get an idea as to where i am lock the motor down, then swap out the dish and do the fine tuning to get amc5 (79*) ive been trying to figure out how i can use just the lnb from my 18" but i can not see a way to attach it to the 33" dish..

No need to do that. You can probably lock the 12224 transponder on the 82 sat with your linear system. No need to mess with putting on an 18" dish, and putting on the 18" dish isn't going to tell you anything except the approximate azimuth anyway, and you can probably tell that just by looking at where the 18" dish is now pointed.

[Soundwav]

ok i wasnt sure if i could pickup anything on 82 as im using a lineat lnb. i did try but didnt get anywhere..

as for an update. i locked everything down and doing the smallest adjustments ive got the signal moving all over the place anywhere from 12 -24-72 and the quality is jumping from 0 to 65 so im close.. just hope its amc that im looking for...

back i go!

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Soundwav

ok i wasnt sure if i could pickup anything on 82 as im using a lineat lnb. i did try but didnt get anywhere..

I often scan in the 12224 transponder from the 82 sat whenver I do a blind scan on AMC9. You might have problems with the other transponders as there may be interference from the opposite polarity that the linear lnbf can't filter out, but the 12224 transponder doesn't get as much interferrence since it's the first one.

Originally Posted by Soundwav

as for an update. i locked everything down and doing the smallest adjustments ive got the signal moving all over the place anywhere from 12 -24-72 and the quality is jumping from 0 to 65 so im close.. just hope its amc that im looking for...

back i go!

I'd look for the 12180/30000 Hughesnet transponder. It's pretty strong.

[Soundwav]

so should i forget about amc5 ond go for nimiq??
i dont want to stray to far as this has taken me hrs to get where i am

what is more dead south for me... 79 or 82

location is
Lat: 43.2N
Long: 81.9W

[William Eng]

I'm at 82W, but I find that Nimiq is a weak satellite to lock onto. It will generate a signal on the satellite meter, but the signal is too weak to get a reliable picture, sometimes I see Canadian news in french.

One suggestion is to use the solar compass (coordinates your time and position of the sun) to get your bearings.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Soundwav

so should i forget about amc5 ond go for nimiq??
i dont want to stray to far as this has taken me hrs to get where i am

what is more dead south for me... 79 or 82

location is
Lat: 43.2N
Long: 81.9W

Sorry, I mis-read your first post. I thought you said you were looking for AMC9. I see now that it says AMC5. So ignore my suggestion about the 12180 transponder, which is on AMC9.
Yeah, I'd go ahead and look for AMC5, but if you don't find the transponders, check the 12224 transponder just in case you accidently hit the Nimiq sat.
Not sure what the strongest transponder on AMC5 is. I'd try either UTAH or the NYNET transponders. Those come in well for me.

[Soundwav]

i decided to look for 82 just to see where i am to 79... i got the signal to jup up to 75 steady!! quality i got to about 15 steady! not enough yet.. but the funny thing is the dish elevation is now 42 not 38 i know there is not a standard in dish elevation could it be poissible that ive had the wrong elevation all this time.. ive seen post where it could be as bad a 5 degrees off but only seen it on a fortecstar dish mind you i dont think i have the most accruate dish let alone the best dish (azira dish multistar lnb)

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Soundwav

i decided to look for 82 just to see where i am to 79... i got the signal to jup up to 75 steady!! quality i got to about 15 steady! not enough yet.. but the funny thing is the dish elevation is now 42 not 38 i know there is not a standard in dish elevation could it be poissible that ive had the wrong elevation all this time.. ive seen post where it could be as bad a 5 degrees off but only seen it on a fortecstar dish mind you i dont think i have the most accruate dish let alone the best dish (azira dish multistar lnb)

People are probably getting tired of me suggesting this, but a couple of the motors have both elevation and latitude scales. I'm not sure if the HH90 is one of those or not. If so, and if you've set your latitude on the elevation scale instead of the latitude scale, then your elevation would be 43 instead of 47, ie 4 degrees low, and that would mean that the dish elevation would have to be set 4 degrees higher, which is pretty close to the results you are quoting. If the HH90 doesn't have an elevation scale, then ignore what I've said here.
On another topic though, I would recommend setting your motor to 43.8 latitude, or 44, instead of 43, which would make your recommended declination 5.95 instead of the 6.6 you were probably using, meaning that the expected dish elevation would be 45-6=39 . But yeah, the dish elevation may be off. It can be off because the scale is off, or it can also be off because the lnbf arm is bent.

[Soundwav]

ok.. i decided to check and see if the mast is plump! guess what the damn thing moved on me.. so i did a re-adjust and remounted the support brackets.. its plumb now.. did a bit of searching and foudn a sat with good signal.. funny thing is the recivers antenna setting is on amc5 but im picking up amc4/c and getting amc5 channels!

cant figure it out.. motor is set to amc5..


UPDATE!!!
Someting funny is going on here.. i didnt make any adjustment and decided to move the motor to galaxy 25... it found it.. and labled it correctly
should i leave it as is?? or not?

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Soundwav

ok.. i decided to check and see if the mast is plump! guess what the damn thing moved on me.. so i did a re-adjust and remounted the support brackets.. its plumb now.. did a bit of searching and foudn a sat with good signal.. funny thing is the recivers antenna setting is on amc5 but im picking up amc4/c and getting amc5 channels!

cant figure it out.. motor is set to amc5..

I don't understand what you're saying here. Ie not sure why you think you are "picking up AMC4/C ??? You say you're getting AMC5 channels, why do you think it's AMC4????

Originally Posted by Soundwav

UPDATE!!!
Someting funny is going on here.. i didnt make any adjustment and decided to move the motor to galaxy 25... it found it.. and labled it correctly
should i leave it as is?? or not?

After seeing this update, I'm starting to think that you have a receiver that is trying to automatically identify the satellite that you are on. I guess you never said what receiver you have, but it's obviously not one I'm familiar with. If it is trying to ID the sat, which I assume it is doing by finding some info in the NIT from one of the transponders, then this isn't reliable, because the info in the NITs is not always accurate. I'm guessing that one of the transponders on AMC5 had an NIT section that made your receiver think that it was on AMC4. Re Galaxy 25, did it find the correct channels as listed in Lyngsat, etc?

[Soundwav]

the reciver tells you the sat when you get it lined up.

after i did a blind scan on galaxy 25 it didnt pickup all the transponders so i thought i would need to tweak the settings some more so i told the motor to go back to amc5 and i would start over.. but now i have nothing.. still have signal but no quality.. im back at sqaure 1

Reciver is Viewsat 2000 Ultra

[Soundwav]

well since i had plumb problems on the wall guess the tapcons wouldnt hold... i decided to grab my tripod and get that level.. all good there..

put the dish on.. BAM!!!! amc5.. move to galaxy 25 BAM G10 BAM!! so far so good!

then next i do a blindscan and i get about 10-15 channels.. 3-4 work... due a factory reset same thing.. so what the hell ill do autoscan.. WOW look @ all the channels. very odd but its working so far.. now i have to move the tripod lock it down and hope for the best that i can get the signal back.. !

ill let you guys know!

Thanks!

[Soundwav]

got everything wonrking fine now.. thanks for the help. but i have one question im confused on and i don tknow why

i have a 4in 1 disec switch now i know its after lnb before motor.. what im confused about is.. do i run a wire from the lnb into the disec port 1 then from the disec out of reciver port to lnb on the motor then a wire from the reciver part on teh motor to my reciver in the house?? im lost.. ive been @ this for hrs so im not thinking all that well

if you dont get what im asking.. i have 82/91 on my 18" dish and i have my 33" fta dish... can i use my 4 in 1 disec with both dishes..with a HH90 motor!

[pmb1010]

I think what you said is correct.
I'll attach a picture

[Soundwav]

ok.. ill give it a shot tommrow! thanks

[Soundwav]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

I think what you said is correct.
I'll attach a picture

worked like a charm!!
thanks!

noticed something tonight.. did a blind scan on G10r and only got 3 channels.. according to lygsat there is more.. am i not getting them becasue i havnt find tuned the signal? or do i need to add the transponders in??

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Soundwav

worked like a charm!!
thanks!

noticed something tonight.. did a blind scan on G10r and only got 3 channels.. according to lygsat there is more.. am i not getting them becasue i havnt find tuned the signal? or do i need to add the transponders in??

If the receiver doesn't have the transponders you're looking for already in memory, I'd certainly try entering them manually, and trying a transponder scan instead of the blind scan. I don't remember what receiver you have, but some receivers have problems with blind scans, particularly if you try using one of those all in one modes that finds both wide and narrow signals in one scan. I know my Ultra will often fail to find channels when I scan in the "Full" scan, but it will find them if I do separate high and low scans.

A lot of people seem to have problems with G10r, particularly with smaller dishes, but I think you should get more than 3 channels.
If you don't get a lock on the transponders in the transponder scan page, I would first check to see if you are tracking, but just a bit off with respect to stopping at the proper point along the arc. Usually if sync is off, it will affect all sats equally, but G10r is a sat that if you're off a bit, it might affect you more than it does on other sats. So probably the easiest thing to try is to set the signal meter on one of the transponders you're looking for, and change the longitude of the satellite by 0.1 or 0.2 more or less than the normal 123. ie like 122.9 123.1, etc, just to see if it improves your quality enough to get a lock.

If this doesn't help, it may well be that your alignment is a bit off. Assuming that you have initially set your motor elevation properly, the usual issue, when attempting to lock your most extreme east or west sat, is that you need a very minor tweak to the aim of the mount on the pole. Ie loosen the bolts that hold the motor to the pole, and move the whole assembly east or west by a VERY SMALL amount. Usually I draw a pencil line on the pole and mount, and make an adjustment that is about the thickness of the line I drew. Then, after each adjustment, while watching the signal/quality meters, I manually bump the motor back and forth to see if I can get improved signal/quality. If you get improvement, and you have initially done the motor elevation properly, there will generally be no need to attempt to tweak any other adjustments. If you get improvement, and USALS won't take you to the proper point on the arc, you may have to either switch to DiseqC1.2 or to change the sat locations for sats that don't work, to get the motor to stop at the proper place.