Can a Direct TV Dish be used to receive Dish programs

Zeeman · #1 (**permalink**) 09-07-2003, 08:39 PM

Fulltime MH and my roof dish is lost in most parks because of trees.

Just got a stand alone dish only, but when I got it home I find that
it is a dual DIRECT TV dish. My subscription is to DISH Network.

Does the dish care,, or do I need to return it?

Thank a bunch,

Zee

bobkat · #2 (**permalink**) 09-07-2003, 08:54 PM

No, you can use it. Just align it to the DishNet satellites rather than the DirecTv sats.

:wink:

kat

j3wn1x · #3 (**permalink**) 11-13-2003, 01:19 AM

im using a DishNetwork dish to watch my DirecTV, and it works great =)

However, i had a question:

Is it possible to use the Nagravision Cam module with a DishNet card on the Satcruiser 2040 and be able to watch the encrypted channels if u are paying for them, or do you need a dish receiver? I wanted to try this, but it seems that it may be impossible...

dtsexpert · #4 (**permalink**) 11-13-2003, 02:13 PM

The answer is NO.
DishNet requires to use their receiver.
Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by j3wn1x

im using a DishNetwork dish to watch my DirecTV, and it works great =)

However, i had a question:

Is it possible to use the Nagravision Cam module with a DishNet card on the Satcruiser 2040 and be able to watch the encrypted channels if u are paying for them, or do you need a dish receiver? I wanted to try this, but it seems that it may be impossible...

j3wn1x · #5 (**permalink**) 11-13-2003, 08:53 PM

not to be rude or anything, but have you tried it before? I mean, those cams are used for something... so why wouldnt it work? It just sounds like it should, since Dishnetwork uses Nagravision encryption..
please advise.

thanks!

dtsexpert · #6 (**permalink**) 11-13-2003, 09:27 PM

Again, DishNet does not allow subscribers to user any third party receiver.
Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by j3wn1x

not to be rude or anything, but have you tried it before? I mean, those cams are used for something... so why wouldnt it work? It just sounds like it should, since Dishnetwork uses Nagravision encryption..
please advise.

thanks!

spyder · #7 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 11:11 AM

It has always been my opinion that if DishNetwork would start authorizing nagravision enable DVB receivers they could potentially increase their subscriber base substantially.
I wouldn't go out and buy a new setup just for Dish programing, but probably would subscribe if it was available via my current DVB setups.
(At least maybe to get the NHL center ice packages and such that aren't available to big dish users.)

dtsexpert · #8 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 02:10 PM

Spyder,
You have a very good point, but it's not completely true...:-(
Dish hardware is free or it only costs very little $ if you sub to their service for a year.
Also, none of the DVB PCI has phone line which DN uses to communicate to the receivers.
Without phoneline, subcribers have to call them to order PPV. Too much hassle for them.
Micheal

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Originally Posted by spyder

It has always been my opinion that if DishNetwork would start authorizing nagravision enable DVB receivers they could potentially increase their subscriber base substantially.
I wouldn't go out and buy a new setup just for Dish programing, but probably would subscribe if it was available via my current DVB setups.
(At least maybe to get the NHL center ice packages and such that aren't available to big dish users.)

bobkat · #9 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 10:16 PM

I think the reason EchoStar (DishNetwork) has their own receivers is twofold: first they have been building satellite receivers for decades -- the old Houston Trackers (C-Band) were built by EchoStar, so this company is no newbie to the consumer satellite world. Second, by building their own receivers they have better control over piracy. If any DVB receiver with a CAM slot and NagraVision encryption support could decode DishNetwork signals the rate of piracy would be higher than it is now. By building their own receivers EchoStar can implement proprietory technolgy unique to EchoStar hardware alone and not have to worry about "industrial espionage" when they license out their trade secrets to other manufacturers. The satellite company that probably does this best is General Instruments (now controlled by Motorola) -- they licensed their technology to nobody and to this day their encryption method (Digicipher II) has never been compromised; at least not publically.

Just my $ 0.02 worth...

:?

kat

Sadoun · #10 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 11:03 PM

It does not make any sense for DN to allow other receivers to use DN cards to subscribe to the service for the following reasons:

1- Technical support nightmare
2- Piracy
3- Lost revenues from hardware sales
4- Lost revenue for DN retailers and dealers
5- Training nightmare for installers.
6- etc, etc..

It is best to keep it the way it is. If interested in Dish Network services, let us know. Right now DN has great promotions"

1- Free hardware
2- Free delivery of hardware
3- Free installation
4- Your activation fee of $49.95 will be refunded the 1st month on your bill
5- If you choose the top 100 package plus HBO & Cinamx you will receive $50 credit on your bill each month for the first 3 months.
6- You can't find a better deal and it is much better than CABLE.

Call us if you are interested.

888-519-9595 and ask about the Dish Network special.

If you sign up through us at Sadoun.com we will apply $25 credit towards your activation fee. That means your out of pocket expense is only $24.95.

bobkat · #11 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 11:29 PM

LOL !!!

That's our Sadoun -- a natural born salesman. Always turning an ordinary thread into a sales pitch !! HeHeHe :lol:

:wink:

kat

bobkat · #12 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 11:33 PM

LOL !!!

That's our Sadoun -- a natural born salesman. Always turning an ordinary thread into a sales pitch !! HeHeHe :lol:

:wink:

kat

bobkat · #13 (**permalink**) 11-14-2003, 11:34 PM

Oops -- how the hell did I do that ??

ops: Pushed the wrong key I guess... I'm a tard...

:?

kat

metotem · #14 (**permalink**) 01-09-2004, 07:30 PM

Hi there!DishNetwork,DirecTV,Globecast receivers are private label receivers.They are DVB compatible, but is not possible /legally/to be used for anything else,than the private networks,that are designed for.DishNetwork used Nagra,but the CAMs and cards are made for them and work together with theirs receivers, also made for them/right card+right receiver+unlocking code from their satellites=private networks/Everything is numbered/coded/,all possible channels with strongest signal from only few satellites/let's tell the truth/well designed and work fine.But are not well designed for people, that like the freedom and choice of hunting for new signals from the skies.All of these private receivers are like radio with buttons for fixed stations-

dtsexpert · #15 (**permalink**) 01-09-2004, 09:47 PM

Few clarification:
1. DirectTV is not DVB compliant.
2. Globecast receivers are able to tune to other FTA channels as users want.
Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by metotem

Hi there!DishNetwork,DirecTV,Globecast receivers are private label receivers.They are DVB compatible, but is not possible /legally/to be used for anything else,than the private networks,that are designed for.DishNetwork used Nagra,but the CAMs and cards are made for them and work together with theirs receivers, also made for them/right card+right receiver+unlocking code from their satellites=private networks/Everything is numbered/coded/,all possible channels with strongest signal from only few satellites/let's tell the truth/well designed and work fine.But are not well designed for people, that like the freedom and choice of hunting for new signals from the skies.All of these private receivers are like radio with buttons for fixed stations-