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Old 04-12-2007, 09:16 AM
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Satellite scan... Blind scan

I have a coolsat 5000 receiver with a 36-inch dish and a SG2100 H-H.
At first I was having a problem with finding any fta satellites. Then I switched from a linear LNB to a directv circular LNB to find 119, 110 and Nimiq1 because those signals are stronger then fta signals.
(By the way I learned that move by reading this site) I did find those birds very easily and adjusted my elevation and compass settings. Next I switched back to my linear LNB but could still not get any quality for T5 (G25). I had my transponder frequncy setting at 11836 which lyngsat shows many free channels. I used usals to get me to the bird but it showed no quality no matter what I did. I decided to try a satellite scan which did bring in about 15 channels but I knew there were a lot more channels then that. Then I did a blind scan which did bring in all the channels on G25.
Question: What's the difference between those two scans and why I still get no quality in the menu for G25 on frequency 11836.

Thanks for any help... Johnny
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I installed a fta 33 inch dish with a universal KuLNBF, Input freq 11.7-12.2 GHZ and output
950-1450 MHZ but I can\'t get any signal on Telstar5 at my location in Miami. I have my elevation set to 54.5 and 214 on the azimuth and I\'ve also tried changing LNBF frequency from universal 1 and universal 2 on my pansat 2500A
fta receiver...
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I have a coolsat 5000 receiver with a 36-inch dish and a SG2100 H-H.
At first I was having a problem with finding any fta satellites. Then I switched from a linear LNB to a directv circular LNB to find 119, 110 and Nimiq1 because those signals are stronger then fta signals.
(By the way I learned that move by reading this site) I did find those birds very easily and adjusted my elevation and compass settings. Next I switched back to my linear LNB but could still not get any quality for T5 (G25). I had my transponder frequncy setting at 11836 which lyngsat shows many free channels. I used usals to get me to the bird but it showed no quality no matter what I did. I decided to try a satellite scan which did bring in about 15 channels but I knew there were a lot more channels then that. Then I did a blind scan which did bring in all the channels on G25.
Question: What's the difference between those two scans and why I still get no quality in the menu for G25 on frequency 11836.

Thanks for any help... Johnny
There are basically 3 types scan (4 including network).
1. Transponder scan, where you select a transponder, and scan just that transponder.
2. Satellite scan. This scans all the transponders that are saved in memory on your receiver. Similar to transponder scan, but scans all transponders.
3. Blind scan or power scan, etc. This scan actually FINDS the transponders and determines the proper SR values for each transponder.

The problem with transponder and satellite scans is that if you don't have the proper frequency AND SR value entered into the transponder list in your receiver, then it won't scan in any channels. And these transponder parameters change often, so the odds are that many or even most of the transponders stored in your receiver might be out of date.

Above you said that you used 11836 freq and found nothing, but you didn't mention what the SR value was. If the SR is wrong, you normally won't scan in any channels.

Also, if you have the wrong LO freq entered for that satellite, then the transponder or satellite scan won't scan in anything, however the blind scan WILL, however all the transponder freqs it finds will be saved with an incorrect frequency.

The 4th type scan is a network scan, which is like a transponder scan, but when it scans a transponder which is part of a network, it will then extract information about other transponders in that network from the signal, and then try to scan those transponders as well. Again, this won't work if the LO freq is set wrong.

The fact that blind scan worked for you makes me think your LO freq is wrong. Either that, or the SR values in your saved transponders were wrong.
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Try this

Manually adjust the upper and lower frequencies for a greater range. Second, adjust the sampling to the lowest setting (check every 3 frequency instead of 6 or 8) Of course, this will take a while for the receiver to do all this, but it is the only way to ensure you pick up everything. Also make sure your LNB setting is correct.
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Thanks for the information. I had the LNB set to a single LNB at 10750.
I'm going to check my other settings with the information that you provided.
I've found 6 satellites so far.
Thanks again... Johnny
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I installed a fta 33 inch dish with a universal KuLNBF, Input freq 11.7-12.2 GHZ and output
950-1450 MHZ but I can\'t get any signal on Telstar5 at my location in Miami. I have my elevation set to 54.5 and 214 on the azimuth and I\'ve also tried changing LNBF frequency from universal 1 and universal 2 on my pansat 2500A
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Thanks for the information. I had the LNB set to a single LNB at 10750.
I'm going to check my other settings with the information that you provided.
I've found 6 satellites so far.
Thanks again... Johnny
Your signature block says that you have a Universal lnbf. 10750 isn't the right LO for that. You should use the universal setting with 9750/10600 for a universal lnbf. That would cause all your transponder freqs to be off, but when doing a blind scan it would find the transponders, but save them at the wrong freq.
If you change this, it will make all the channels you find not work, but it's best to change that setting and delete all the transponders and channels that you've found, and do another blind scan.
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I am using a linear LNB not a universal LNB and have it set up as a single LNB at 9750/10750. Is that a correct setting for a linear LNB.
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950-1450 MHZ but I can\'t get any signal on Telstar5 at my location in Miami. I have my elevation set to 54.5 and 214 on the azimuth and I\'ve also tried changing LNBF frequency from universal 1 and universal 2 on my pansat 2500A
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I am using a linear LNB not a universal LNB and have it set up as a single LNB at 9750/10750. Is that a correct setting for a linear LNB.
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linear lnb's can be either standard at 10750 lo or universal at 9750/10600 lo. if you are using a universal use the last figures for the lo setting. look on your lnb it should tell you what the lo settings are.
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Yes you are correct. I have a standard LNB and it says Lo 10.75
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I installed a fta 33 inch dish with a universal KuLNBF, Input freq 11.7-12.2 GHZ and output
950-1450 MHZ but I can\'t get any signal on Telstar5 at my location in Miami. I have my elevation set to 54.5 and 214 on the azimuth and I\'ve also tried changing LNBF frequency from universal 1 and universal 2 on my pansat 2500A
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