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Old 11-01-2007, 04:31 PM
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How do you Align a 12 Foot Dish?

I am finishing up installing my Actuator Motor today on my 12 Foot Mesh Bud Dish. Is there a Procedure in setting and calibrating a 12 Foot Dish? That is, with my roof mounted 1 Meter Fortec Star Dish & Stab Motor I align it on G25 97.0W by bringing up a small TV and Sat Receiver to the Dish. I plan on powering 12 Footer Dish thru the 36 VDC ribbon cable already installed in the House with a Uniden 9900 Receiver and 9900P power supply left in the house, then bring my FTA Receiver outside to the Dish and connect it to the LNB Cables. Does the calibration and setup work the same way for a 12 Foot Bud Dish? ie setup South, then East and West limit Satellites??
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Old 11-01-2007, 06:01 PM
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I am finishing up installing my Actuator Motor today on my 12 Foot Mesh Bud Dish. Is there a Procedure in setting and calibrating a 12 Foot Dish? That is, with my roof mounted 1 Meter Fortec Star Dish & Stab Motor I align it on G25 97.0W by bringing up a small TV and Sat Receiver to the Dish. I plan on powering 12 Footer Dish thru the 36 VDC ribbon cable already installed in the House with a Uniden 9900 Receiver and 9900P power supply left in the house, then bring my FTA Receiver outside to the Dish and connect it to the LNB Cables. Does the calibration and setup work the same way for a 12 Foot Bud Dish? ie setup South, then East and West limit Satellites??
Pretty much the same. The only significant difference is that with small dishes, the motor elevation is pretty accurate via the scale, but the dish elevation (which is how you set the declination) is NOT accurate, so you usually set the motor elevation, then peak on the south sat via dish elevation. With a big dish, however it is often the opposite, but not always. On my current dish, you can set the declination very accurately, so I set that and forget it, and peak the south sat using the motor elevation. On some other big dishes, you can't set the declination so accurately, but there are usually surfaces on a big dish that are (1) parallel or perpendicular to the rotation axis, and (2) parallel or perpindicular to the direction the dish is looking. Generally you can set the declination fairly accurately by measuring the difference between these two angles using an inclinometer. Once set this way, you can then peak the south sat using the motor elevation. On the 3 big dishes I've had, there was never any scale for elevation, so an inclinometer is nearly a necessity.
After peaking your south sat, motor over and find the furthest sat you can find toward either horizon, and peak that by moving the whole mount on the pole PLUS, after each adjustment of the mount on the pole, motor back and forth through the sat to see if you have improved it or made it worse. Once you've gotten the best you can do on the extreme sat, you are generally done, unless your pole wasn't plumb. You can then one by one find the other sats.
Finding sats with a big dish used to be easy, with an analog receiver, however now, that many sats don't have any analog channels, it becomes quite a challenge sometimes, particularly if the info in Lyngsat isn't up to date. It's usually better to align using Ku sats, because the beam width is narrower, however sometimes it helps to first find the sat via C-band, then switch to C-band.
Aligning a big dish requires more precision than aligning a small dish, however it is often easier, because there are generally surfaces that you can put an inclinometer on, so you don't have to rely on the elevation scales, that are often innaccurate.
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Old 11-02-2007, 04:56 AM
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Thank a lot for your very detailed info wejones. So I guess I will have to find out if I can purchase an inclinomoter to set everything up? The previous owner of this Dish was telling me he is almost certain all the adjustments to the Dish (looks like there are 3 of them), should be okay?

I know one thing - in order to mount this big Dish on the Big Steel Ring 3 of us had to loosen one of the adjustments to make the Dish go to a vertical position. This made it a lot easier to Bolt the Dish to the Ring from each side, so the Inclination Adjustment is most likely completely out and the only thing now holding up the Dish to a higher angle is the Actuator Arm right now - hope this makes sense!!
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Thank a lot for your very detailed info wejones. So I guess I will have to find out if I can purchase an inclinomoter to set everything up? The previous owner of this Dish was telling me he is almost certain all the adjustments to the Dish (looks like there are 3 of them), should be okay?

I know one thing - in order to mount this big Dish on the Big Steel Ring 3 of us had to loosen one of the adjustments to make the Dish go to a vertical position. This made it a lot easier to Bolt the Dish to the Ring from each side, so the Inclination Adjustment is most likely completely out and the only thing now holding up the Dish to a higher angle is the Actuator Arm right now - hope this makes sense!!
I think that if you've taken the dish off the mount, then you'll probably need to start from scratch, although the declination might still be OK, it depends on the particular mount.

Inclinometers can be found at most hardware stores as well as at Sadoun. Usually not very expensive, and you can use them for lots of household purposes.
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:23 PM
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Thanks wejones, for the Inclometer were you talking about the Johnson Level & Tool 700 Contractor Magnetic Angle Locator Protractor for $10.00? Since the only other type of Inclometer I can find on Sadoun Site is the Tandem 360PC/360R SUUNTO TANDEM Compass and Clinometer for $169.00?
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Thanks wejones, for the Inclometer were you talking about the Johnson Level & Tool 700 Contractor Magnetic Angle Locator Protractor for $10.00? Since the only other type of Inclometer I can find on Sadoun Site is the Tandem 360PC/360R SUUNTO TANDEM Compass and Clinometer for $169.00?

the Johnson inclinometer will work just find.
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