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Old 06-18-2007, 06:33 PM
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newbie's FTA setup problems

Hi,
i just bout this motorized package:
CoolSat 5000
Invacom Quad
Fortect 31' dish
Moteck SG-2100.

I live in boston and my Latitude is 42.3, dish elevation is 23.5, and true south is 198. After i have done everything as instructed here and from other forums, my FTA still doesn't work. The signal LeveL is around 85%, yet the QUALitY is only 4-8%. i've done many auto-scan and blind scan, and nothing show up. I just can't figure out what's the problem. please help asap. by the way, my elevation seems a lot lower than my neighboor's DirectTV. thanks, buddies!
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:05 PM
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You can't just point your dish to the sky or point your dish to any satellite and get a signal on your receiver signal meter.

First of all, to get a signal on your receiver, you need to point your dish to a *specific* spot in the sky - point your dish to a specific satellite.

The size of the spot you need to aim the dish at is about the size of this ---> O

Then you need to align the dish to be in the center of that spot to get the best reception. This means in the center of the spot up/down and in the center of the spot left/right.

Needless to say, this is like trying to find a needle in a haystack!

Furthermore your receiver has settings for specific satellites and specific frequencies on those satellites. If your dish is pointing at the wrong satellite, you will not get any signal readings if your receiver is set to receive another satellite.

And if your dish is pointed at the correct satellite, and your receiver is set to the same satellite, but you have a frequency (transponder) selected for that satellite which is outdated or has nothing on it, or it is an "encrypted" frequency (Not FTA), then you will not get anything on your receiver signal meter.

Note that frequencies change on satellites quite often. So the frequencies your receiver came with can become outdated between the time the receiver was manufactured and the time you purchased the receiver. You can of course enter a new active FTA frequency/POL/SR.

You will not get anything if your receiver is set to receive a "C-band" frequency (4 digit) and you have a "Ku-band" LNB and dish (Ku band frequencies/transponders are 5 digit numbers).

You *will* get a reading on your receiver signal meter if your dish is pointing at the correct satellite, your receiver is set to receive from the same satellite, and you have an active Free to Air DVB frequency selected for that satellite (or have entered an active FTA DVB frequency) and the frequency is the correct band for your LNB/dish (Ku - 5 digit number for a small dish).

Frequencies for each satellite are listed at lyngsat.com. C-band is 4 digits, Ku band is 5 digits.

Finding the first satellite....

I am aiming my dish at a spot which requires accuracy, so I use accurate instruments. I use an "inclinometer" to be sure my dish is set to the correct height for a specific satellite. And I use a handheld GPS set to actual heading (not magnetic) to find the correct direction to point my dish for a specific satellite. I walk from the dish south multiple times with my GPS until I am walking the correct direction for the satellite. Then place a rock on that spot. Then aim my dish the direction of that rock.

Then I find out the offset amount of my specific dish which can be found at the dish manufacturer's web site. This could be 15 degrees offset, 18, 20, etc. Varies for each dish. This is because the LNB on a offset dish is mounted below the center of the dish. So the dish is actually pointing higher than it looks. The difference is the "offset amount" for the specific dish.

Then I use a dish pointing calculator which takes into consideration my location; longitude and latitude, elevation above sea level, and the specific satellite I am trying to point my dish at.

Here is such a dish pointing calculator...
http://www.satellite-calculations.co...lookangles.htm

Accurate longitude and latitude and elevation of your location here. Keep double clicking on map...
http://www.earthtools.org

Then when I plug in all the numbers, I get accurate numbers back...
I get the direction my dish should be pointing (Azimuth). And I get elevation of the satellite or how high to point my dish in the sky. (Subtract dish offset amount from this.)

Then I can use my "inclinometer" to set my dish at the correct height and use my handheld GPS to point my dish the correct direction. Then I am pretty close to where that satellite is.

Next I attach a coax signal meter to my LNB. This will get a reading for any satellite and any frequency! Much easier to find any satellite with this gizmo.

Now I am in the ballpark for finding that first satellite. I usually just need to move my dish a little up/down or left/right to find it. About the size of a baseball.

Take some time and read this...
http://www.geo-orbit.org/sizepgs/tuningp4.html
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Or maybe something as simple as lnbf settings. Do you know what the markings are on the lnbf you have? Do you know how to make the settings in your receiver for the lnbf? What port do you have connected from the lnbf? What sat are you trying to receive? What settings are you using in yoru receiver? The DTV dish means nothing. Different dishes have different offsets.
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Thanks so much, Bill!

I really appreciate your detail explanation. Now I know how precise i need to point my dish. I'll make some changes tomorrow. THanks again. You're a great man!
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