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Old 04-18-2007, 03:01 PM
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Detailed instructions for your receiver, switch, LNB here!

I have never received worse instructions for anything than I have for FTA receivers, switches, LNB's, etc. In many cases I receive NO instructions along which what I have purchased.

Well I just found the "instructions" for everything!

The following DiSEqC technical document explains everything. 22kHz, 13/18 volts, how DiSEqC commands work, etc. Everything you always wanted to know about setting up your receiver!

Application Information for Tuner-Receiver/IRDs
http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/p...r-receiver.pdf

More documents here...
(See DiSEqC Specifications)
What is DiSEqC?
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Old 04-18-2007, 09:10 PM
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NICE find man!!

got some reading to do.. thanks!!
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Old 04-19-2007, 07:17 AM
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Old 04-19-2007, 10:28 AM
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I finished reading the above document last night and now I understand a few things.

With my old reciever there are LNB settings for 22kHz, diseqc 1, diseqc 2, 13/18 volts, etc. I did not know what these things were for. The instruction manual did not say! I'd buy an LNB and no instructions were included. Or I would buy a diseqc switch and no instructions are included! Arrrrg!

Anyway after reading the above (and mostly not paying too much attention to the diseqc bits/bytes business - reading the other parts), I now understand what these things are for.

Basically you have your receiver. Then maybe a switch which may go to 2 or more LNB's. Maybe a positioner. And then the LNB.

Basically the above settings are "directions" from the receiver on how to "get to" the LNB depending on if you have an LNB switch installed. Or directions to tell the LNB to use H or V. Or directions to tell a Universal LNB to use Low L.O. or L.O. (switch bands).

Using the above document, you can look at a device like a switch and see what diseqc version it says on it. Say it says "DiSEqC 2.0". Well that is our directions/instructions along with using the above document. If it is a diseqc switch, then the receiver should be set to send it diseqc "software" commands. Or a 22kHz switch, then use 22kHz on or off depending on which LNB you want.

The 13/18 volts business is as follows...
Select H/V =
HORZ (18VDC)
LHCP (18VDC)

VERT (13VDC)
RHCP(13VDC)

22 kHz can be used for a switch to say which LNB to use or for a Universal LNB to say to use high or low frequency for Ku The L.O. and Low L.O. business.

Of course there are no instructions which come with the Universal LNB to tell me this! So how am I supposed to know?
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Old 04-19-2007, 10:45 AM
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Here is another gem I found (edited)...
Following from: www.10kb.com/fta/howto%5CHOWTO.htm

How the different types of switches work.

First there is a switch inside (almost) every LNBF, it is a Voltage Controlled Switch, this causes the LNBF to send out V polarity transponders or H polarity transponders, the voltage in the coax cable coming from the receiver is what switches this switch, 13volts = V/R transponders, 18volts = H/L transponders.

This is why you can NOT simply add a splitter to run 2 receivers from 1 LNB port, only 1/2 the channels are ever on the cable at one time. There is one Voltage Controlled switch on a single output LNBF, there are two Voltage Controlled switches on a Dual LNBF.

External switches:
There are only 2 main switches that work with most if not all FTA receivers and regular(legacy) LNBs they are:

22khz switch, connects 2 LNBs to one receiver

DiSEqC 4x1 switch, connects up to 4 LNBs to one receiver.

22khz switches, these are really simple, they look like a splitter but are a simple ON or OFF switch, 0khz and 22khz are the 2 input ports then one out to receiver port, when you have 22khz OFF in your receiver the 0khz port is connected, when you have 22khz ON in your receiver the 22khz port is connected. This switch is for hooking up 2 LNBs to one receiver.

The 22khz switch has big brother it is a DTV or 22khz 4x4 switch, this switch has 4 inputs to hook up 2 DUAL LNBs and can be hook to as many as 4 receivers. 2 inputs are labeled 13v,0khz & 18v,0khz (remember the LNBFs internal switch), and the other 2 inputs are 13v,22khz & 18v,22khz. This allows both polarities from each LNB to be inside the switch at all times, so any of the 4 receiver can access any polarity on either of the 2 LNBs.

These switches also come in a 4x8 for up to 8 receiver hook ups to 2 satellites.

DiSEqC is a pulse switch, it also uses a 22khz signal but it uses a one time pulse to set the DiSEq switch to 1 of 4 ports, these switches come in 2x1 and 4x1 models, for 2 LNBs to ONE receiver or 4 LNBs to ONE receiver, respectively, these can NOT be used for more than one receiver, you must use another DiSEq switch for second receiver.

DiSEqC-1 or 2 or 3 or 4 in your menu will cause the DiSEqC switch to switch to that numbered port, some receivers use A, B, C, D instead of 1, 2, 3, 4. This "pulse" is only sent once, if the DiSEq switch is to far away from the receiver it can miss it and not change ports, some times toggling back and forth between channels can make the change happen, the pulse is repeated each time you change channels, but moving the switch closer to the receiver can improve its performance.

DiSEqC = Digital Satellite Equipment Control, this was designed for FTA receivers.
DiSEqC switches come in 2 main flavors, Committed(1.0) and Uncommitted(1.1), but also Committed 2-way(2.0) and UnCommitted 2-way(2.1).

Committed(1.0) switches are the most common and are what come with the receivers.

These switches require FACTORY software in your FTA to operate properly,

1.0 means your receiver can operate Committed switches ONLY,
1.1 means it can operate Committed AND UnCommitted switches,
1.2 means it can operate Committed and UnCommitted plus DiSEqC motor controls.
2.0 is the same as above,
2.0, 2.1, 2.2 but the receiver can also receive information back from the switch,
2.0 switches receive the pulse command from the receiver, then change ports, they then send back a confirmation to the receiver, if a 2.0 receiver doesn't receive the confirmation it will send the DiSEqC pulse again and again until the switch confirms it is on the right port.

Putting 2 DiSEqC Committed switches on one cable is a no-no, which is why there are Committed and UnCommitted types of switches, a Committed switch is placed first in line (DiSEqC pulse comes from the receiver so first would be closest to the receiver), then you can hookup an UnCommitted switch to the Committed switch, the Committed switch
will ignore the UnCommitted switches commands. Committed 4x1 switches are about $20, UnCommitted 4x1 switches are about $80, so unless you have to have 16 LNBs hooked up to one receiver stick with Committed switches.

22khz switches and DiSEq switches can work well together, with one restriction, the 22khz switch must come AFTER the DiSEq switch.

So you can hook one 22khz switch to two LNBs then hook the output of the 22khz switch to port 1 on the DiSEq switch. So instead of 4 LNBs you could have 5 LNBs hooked up, you can add a 22khz switch to each DiSEqC port for a total of 8 LNBs hooked up to one receiver.
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Old 04-19-2007, 10:58 AM
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Another thing they don't say...

I thought Diseqc 1.0 was saying which "version" of the software.

On my Satcrusier, I can set it to Diseqc 1, Diseqc 2, etc. and what this is doing is instructing a connected switch as to which LNB to use!

On my Fortec, they call the same setting a switch. This makes things more clear.

Anyway I come from the computer world. When I see "Diseqc 1.0", this looks like a version of software to me, not a switch setting...
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.... some receivers use A, B, C, D instead of 1, 2, 3, 4. This "pulse" is only sent once, .....
I was under the impression that pulse switch commands are only A and B, not A,B,C,D. I think the pulse commands are a very much shortened single byte DiseqC command with just a single bit different, if I remember right. Most receivers will send either A,B or 1,2,3,4 . I have a pulse type switch with A,B ports, and either A,B or 1,2 will operate it. I think most swithches are compatable with both pulse and the full DiseqC commands. I'm pretty sure that these pulse commands are sent more than once, but I may be wrong. Ie when I hooked up to an oscilloscope, I could see the signals repeating for a few seconds I think. But I might be remembering wrong. I'll have to check that out again.
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[quote=bill190;44803]I have never received worse instructions for anything than I have for FTA receivers, switches, LNB's, etc. In many cases I receive NO instructions along which what I have purchased.

Spot on Bill, Explaines a lot for Dumbo's like me who are new to this sat TV business.
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