Galaxy 10R

[melbfla]

Hello everyone

I have a question? Is anyone having trouble with G10R on the Ku side?
I moved my dish to this sat and get nothing. Last nigth and this morning, I guess my first question is if 11720 V and 11800 V Tranporters are still active. I can still see every thing from 30W to 116.8W and 123W came in fine before , just want to make sure before I try to mess with the dish.
Regards

[wejones]

Originally Posted by melbfla

Hello everyone

I have a question? Is anyone having trouble with G10R on the Ku side?
I moved my dish to this sat and get nothing. Last nigth and this morning, I guess my first question is if 11720 V and 11800 V Tranporters are still active. I can still see every thing from 30W to 116.8W and 123W came in fine before , just want to make sure before I try to mess with the dish.
Regards

Getting it here OK. Might be a little weaker than normal, but not by much. That sat seems to bother a lot of people, and there seem to be a lot of theories why. They do seem to let it move more than other sats. I just looked at it's possition according to the recent keps, and it looks like it is now at 123.25, which is a bit off target. The keps aren't always correct, however these are dated today, so they should be.
Lyngsat lists it's position as 123.05, but it is using keps that are 6 days old.
But, whatever, the sat is there.

[melbfla]

Thanks wejones

I will have to mess with it tonigth for some reason I get nothing and I tried bumping it with the motor E and W so I migth be off on the elevation slightly I was getting it fine and still get the rest of the arc fine so something is off at least I know it is still there.
Regards

[csmith704]

10R is driving me crazy, can receive about 6 channels on it, but the ones I'm interested in are on 11720 & 11800. I assume there is an option in the Merc II to change the location. Will try again tomorrow. This is my first FTA setup, I was thinking that the transponders were weak and I didn't get a big enough dish and/or better LNB.

[melbfla]

csmtih704 did you get 10R . I hope you had better luck than myself.

Well I am still havin no luck from G10R. When I set up my system I was able to get it fine. I get from 30W and yesterday I got the FTA channels on 119W . I have tried bumping the motor E and W also tried the elevation up and dow on the dish, tied pushing on the dish and pole , pulling on the dish and still nothing.
I have double cheched the receiver set up fo the lnbf set up re-scanned a couple of times...nothing .
Any words of wisdom from anyone will be appreciated .
Regards
PS I am on the East Coast of Florida in the Melbourne -Palm Bay area 32907.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by melbfla

csmtih704 did you get 10R . I hope you had better luck than myself.

Well I am still havin no luck from G10R. When I set up my system I was able to get it fine. I get from 30W and yesterday I got the FTA channels on 119W . I have tried bumping the motor E and W also tried the elevation up and dow on the dish, tied pushing on the dish and pole , pulling on the dish and still nothing.
I have double cheched the receiver set up fo the lnbf set up re-scanned a couple of times...nothing .
Any words of wisdom from anyone will be appreciated .
Regards
PS I am on the East Coast of Florida in the Melbourne -Palm Bay area 32907.

I know you say above that you double checked the lnbf settings, but that's the only thing that makes sense to me, so what are the settings for that sat? You mention getting FTA on 119, which makes me think that maybe you have a diseqC switch switching to a circular lnbf? Ie if you do have a diseqC switch in the system, maybe it isn't switching properly? G10r should be pretty strong in Florida, as they kind of aim it more to the east coast.

I've never heard of a Classic behaving like an Ultra, but when my Ultra goes into memory overload, certain satellites will change settings, and they "appear", but on a closer look I would find some setting would be changed, usually the LNBF type would be changed, or the diseqC switch setting would be changed. As I mentioned in a recent post, sometimes I'd find that the diseqC was set on Port 99, or something similar. Perhaps it's something like that, or even lnbf power might be turned off for that sat or something.

[melbfla]

Hi wejones
I only have the Fortec universal 0.4dB Single KU LNBF on it no diseqC switch I did the scan on 119 or what I think is 119 and got a bunch of scramble dish channels which I deleted but in there where 4 fta channels.
They show up on lyngsat TP 12253.
It is a puzzle to me unless I am trying to view g10r when the storms are going or something wierd , Iceberg,mastermesh and others have been talking about the sat temporaly going dark at times I hope is just wrong timing I will triple check my settings.
Regards

[wejones]

Originally Posted by melbfla

Hi wejones
I only have the Fortec universal 0.4dB Single KU LNBF on it no diseqC switch I did the scan on 119 or what I think is 119 and got a bunch of scramble dish channels which I deleted but in there where 4 fta channels.
They show up on lyngsat TP 12253.
It is a puzzle to me unless I am trying to view g10r when the storms are going or something wierd , Iceberg,mastermesh and others have been talking about the sat temporaly going dark at times I hope is just wrong timing I will triple check my settings.
Regards

The sat never went dark, although they did apparently turn off those Equity channels for a while. And it's not dark now. I just turned my dish there (to park it during a snow storm), and I'm still getting those channels, although they are quite weak this morning, but that's probably due to the snow on my dish. Perhaps someone not currently in a snowstorm can comment on the reception today.

Another idea... I'm not sure if you said if you were using USALS or DiseqC1.2? If DiseqC1.2, perhaps somehow that sat position got corrupted, and to test you might try going to the sat via USALS? Also, once my motor somehow all on it's own got it's limits set to new values, and wouldn't let me go past a particular position until I disabled the limits. So if G10r is your last sat, you might try disabling the limits.

[elgemcdlf]

I go with alignment. Are you using USALS or the "bump the dish" kind of setup? Being in FL 123 would be out on the west and of your arc thus more sensitive to alignment than the center sats. 121 is also an Echo bird so it may have been 121 and not 119 you got. Do not know. At this point I would go back to basics. move to yoru south sat, set the receiver up for USALS and tell it to go to the south sat. Peak this sat using only movement on the mast and dish elevation. Now go out to the furthest east and west sats doing the push up pull down test. If opposite results move the assembly on the mast in the direction of the push up signal stronger. If they match you are centered.

Once you have the south sat properly centered it is a matter of deish elevation and motor elevation. If you do not have full arc try lowering the dish elevation a degree and raising the motor a degree. How did that work? Worse then go the opposite way. Raise the dish a degree and lower the motor a degree. Keep working at it this way until you have the entire arc.

If you are not properly on south sat you will never get it all. If you are tying to cheat by "bumping" the dish you will have continual problems. Check your mast. I do not know how you have yours mounted but I have seen more than a few of the DN style mounts slip especially during a storm.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

I go with alignment. Are you using USALS or the "bump the dish" kind of setup? Being in FL 123 would be out on the west and of your arc thus more sensitive to alignment than the center sats. 121 is also an Echo bird so it may have been 121 and not 119 you got. Do not know. At this point I would go back to basics. move to yoru south sat, set the receiver up for USALS and tell it to go to the south sat. Peak this sat using only movement on the mast and dish elevation. Now go out to the furthest east and west sats doing the push up pull down test. If opposite results move the assembly on the mast in the direction of the push up signal stronger. If they match you are centered.

Once you have the south sat properly centered it is a matter of deish elevation and motor elevation. If you do not have full arc try lowering the dish elevation a degree and raising the motor a degree. How did that work? Worse then go the opposite way. Raise the dish a degree and lower the motor a degree. Keep working at it this way until you have the entire arc.

If you are not properly on south sat you will never get it all. If you are tying to cheat by "bumping" the dish you will have continual problems. Check your mast. I do not know how you have yours mounted but I have seen more than a few of the DN style mounts slip especially during a storm.

First, he said he was receiving the 12253 Miami mux. Ie can't be 121. But whatever... if he is tracking from 30 to 119, he is certainly not off much on alignment, unless in his attempts to find 123 he's changed his settings. If he's getting 117 and 119, he surely should be getting close enough to 123 to have seen it with what he tried, unless he has some setting messed up in the receiver. And as far as the "bump the dish kind of setup", that is superior to USALS, but it is certainly not as user friendly, and mistakes can be made. If one is lost, finding a sat, USALS is the best way to get close, but DiseqC1.2 is the best way to be right on, once you find it.

[elgemcdlf]

Well I totally disagree. I watch so many that think USALS is wrong and think if they get signal by bumping the dish they are correct in settings. Farthest thing from the truth. There as you are well aware a "window" of signal and just because you can bump the dish into that window does not mean you are properly aligned on that sat. You may have signal now and then or just good enough to watch unless the slightest incident should happen.

Being in Maine your arc is severly limited compared to the midwest. We have a large arc we can view and when you get out to the ends it gets very touchy. I have had 123 and not 129. 43 and not 30. Arc from 30 to 123 missing a few tp's on 30 and when bringing those in lost 123. 123 is on his end. He might be able to get 129. I am curious to know if he is receiving White Springs and at what strengths. I am in the 60's for WS and only have a few channels from one tp on 30. Sitting right here on 87.

If your dish is properly aligned USALS works flawlessly. If your dish is not properly aligned you are continually "bumping" it to "make it correct". Is your 90cm sweeping from 30 to 129 with no problems Bill? Are your signal strengths for the most part in the high 70's to high 90's? If not you are not properly aligned. I may be wrong but I would guess there are trees keeping you from receiving the whole arc on a single dish which would greatly skew judgement on how the small dish behaves when out onthe very ends of it's arc. Getting a section is not problem at all but stirring in the very extreme fringes of sight gets a little tricky and sensitive.

When it warms up find a spot where you can get the entire arc available to you and play with the little dish. I think your perception will change dramatically.

[csmith704]

Originally Posted by melbfla

csmtih704 did you get 10R . I hope you had better luck than myself.

Well I am still havin no luck from G10R. When I set up my system I was able to get it fine. I get from 30W and yesterday I got the FTA channels on 119W . I have tried bumping the motor E and W also tried the elevation up and dow on the dish, tied pushing on the dish and pole , pulling on the dish and still nothing.
I have double cheched the receiver set up fo the lnbf set up re-scanned a couple of times...nothing .
Any words of wisdom from anyone will be appreciated .
Regards
PS I am on the East Coast of Florida in the Melbourne -Palm Bay area 32907.

melbfla,

Sorry, other than changing the location of G10R to 123.25 degrees (didn't help nor hurt), I haven't had a chance to really play with it. Will try again, maybe this weekend, after I place the sat in my permament location.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Well I totally disagree. I watch so many that think USALS is wrong and think if they get signal by bumping the dish they are correct in settings. Farthest thing from the truth. .....

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If your dish is properly aligned USALS works flawlessly. If your dish is not properly aligned you are continually "bumping" it to "make it correct". ...

All I can say, is that in my opinion, this is wrong.
I have given you senarios over the past months which would cause USALS not to work, when DiseqC would give you perfect results, but I have yet to hear any argument to the contrary. I can guarantee that DiseqC gives better results than USALS with my dish, and on no sat that I can physically see from my dish's location does lifting up or pulling down improve signal. If you have a dish which doesn't point south when the motor is at it's zero position, then USALS simply cannot work properly, however this doesn't bother DiseqC1.2 at all. Having a motor which isn't centered when at it's zero position will result in USALS being out of sync. Having a dish with a lnbf arm which is not in line with the aim of the dish will result in USALS being out of sync. Having a dish which isn't perfect shape so that the best focus point isn't in line with the apparent aim of the dish will result in USALS being out of sync. You can be tracking the arc perfectly, but if you are out of sync, then USALS will be off. Being out of sync doesn't bother DiseqC1.2 at all. Having a need to "bump" the dish to improve reception is NOT evidence that you are out of alignment, bumping the dish is moving the dish along the arc, so if it makes things right, if anything it is evidence that you ARE aligned to the arc. And it isn't a case of having to "continuously" bump the dish, usually, you just save the position in the motor, and never have to touch it again.
Now, in this particular case, it may well be an alignment problem now, if there have been changes to elevation, but I really doubt that it was originally an alignment problem.

[elgemcdlf]

Originally Posted by wejones

All I can say, is that in my opinion, this is wrong.
I have given you senarios over the past months which would cause USALS not to work, when DiseqC would give you perfect results, but I have yet to hear any argument to the contrary. I can guarantee that DiseqC gives better results than USALS with my dish, and on no sat that I can physically see from my dish's location does lifting up or pulling down improve signal. If you have a dish which doesn't point south when the motor is at it's zero position, then USALS simply cannot work properly, however this doesn't bother DiseqC1.2 at all. Having a motor which isn't centered when at it's zero position will result in USALS being out of sync.

Agreed. The more accurate this setting is the better the results. Any inaccuracies will only amplify when moving farther away from 0. This is why I also do not agree with changing a sats location in USALS just to get signal. It is the same as bumping. The same holds true for 1.2 though. If you do not have the dish centered it too will not align on the sats properly no matter how much bumping you do.

Originally Posted by wejones

Having a dish with a lnbf arm which is not in line with the aim of the dish will result in USALS being out of sync. Having a dish which isn't perfect shape so that the best focus point isn't in line with the apparent aim of the dish will result in USALS being out of sync. You can be tracking the arc perfectly, but if you are out of sync, then USALS will be off. Being out of sync doesn't bother DiseqC1.2 at all. Having a need to "bump" the dish to improve reception is NOT evidence that you are out of alignment, bumping the dish is moving the dish along the arc, so if it makes things right, if anything it is evidence that you ARE aligned to the arc.

All of this sounds to me like equipment that is in need of repair.

Originally Posted by wejones

And it isn't a case of having to "continuously" bump the dish, usually, you just save the position in the motor, and never have to touch it again.
Now, in this particular case, it may well be an alignment problem now, if there have been changes to elevation, but I really doubt that it was originally an alignment problem.

If the dish is properly aligned then it does not matter which system you use. Most dishes are not properly aligned and using USALS will get you a way better alignment than "fishing" with 1.2. Once that alignment is complete and correct then bump away as it is all the same.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Agreed. The more accurate this setting is the better the results. Any inaccuracies will only amplify when moving farther away from 0. This is why I also do not agree with changing a sats location in USALS just to get signal. It is the same as bumping. The same holds true for 1.2 though. If you do not have the dish centered it too will not align on the sats properly no matter how much bumping you do.

Not true. If not centered, you can track the arc absolutely perfectly, and DiseqC1.2 will work fine, but USALS will not work well. DiseqC simply does not depend on the assumption that the dish is aiming south at zero.

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf