how to get 97 W

[friendly37]

hello every body

well i have bought a fortec star satellite receiver and dish and a lnb.
i want just to get the free channels in 97 W.

well the problem is that i don't know the direction.
is there an effective way to get that direction?

i used before my receiver to get these channels. but when i changed to another aprtment . i lost the direction.

i live in manassas virginia.

thank you for your help

[starman]

As you can see from the chart, 220.7 on a compass , elevation 40.7 would be pointing at IA5 from your location,
Manassas, VA 22110
Latitude 38° 46.134'N Longitude 77° 29.370'W
Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
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*** Of Particular Interest ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 155.4 166.6 42.1 -18.9
EchoStar 6 110.0W 225.5 236.7 33.9 33.8
EchoStar 8 110.0W 225.5 236.7 33.9 33.8
EchoStar 7 119.0W 234.7 245.9 28.0 39.5
EchoStar 5 119.0W 234.7 245.9 28.0 39.5
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 236.6 247.8 26.7 40.6
EchoStar 1 148.0W 257.5 268.7 6.4 49.6
EchoStar 2 148.0W 257.5 268.7 6.4 49.6
EchoStar 4 157.0W 263.4 274.6 -0.5 50.8

DirecTV 3 81.8W 186.9 198.0 44.9 5.3
DirecTV 2 100.8W 214.5 225.7 39.0 26.2
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 214.5 225.7 39.0 26.2
DirecTV 1 101.0W 214.8 226.0 38.9 26.4
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 215.0 226.2 38.8 26.6
DirecTV 6 109.8W 225.3 236.5 34.0 33.6
DirecTV 5 119.0W 234.7 245.9 28.0 39.5

*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

Amazonas 61.0W 154.7 165.9 41.9 -19.5
EchoStar 3 61.5W 155.4 166.6 42.1 -18.9
Rainbow 1 61.5W 155.4 166.6 42.1 -18.9
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 157.6 168.8 42.6 -17.3
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 160.5 171.7 43.2 -15.1
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 168.1 179.3 44.4 -9.2
Nahuel 1 71.8W 171.0 182.1 44.7 -7.0
AMC 6 72.0W 171.3 182.5 44.7 -6.8
Galaxy 12 74.0W 174.4 185.6 45.0 -4.3
SBS 6 74.0W 174.4 185.6 45.0 -4.3
GOES 12 75.0W 176.0 187.2 45.0 -3.1
AMC 5 79.0W 182.4 193.6 45.1 1.9
DirecTV 3 81.8W 186.9 198.0 44.9 5.3
Nimiq 2 82.0W 187.2 198.4 44.9 5.6
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 190.3 201.5 44.6 8.0
XM Roll 85.0W 191.9 203.1 44.4 9.2
AMC 9 85.0W 191.9 203.1 44.4 9.2
AMC 3 87.0W 195.0 206.2 44.0 11.6
Galaxy 9 91.0W 201.0 212.2 42.9 16.2
Galaxy 11 91.0W 201.0 212.2 42.9 16.2
Nimiq 1 91.0W 201.0 212.2 42.9 16.2
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 202.5 213.6 42.6 17.3
Telstar 6 93.0W 203.9 215.1 42.3 18.4
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 206.7 217.9 41.5 20.5
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 206.7 217.9 41.5 20.5
Telstar 5 97.0W 209.5 220.7 40.7 22.6
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 210.9 222.0 40.3 23.6
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 212.2 223.4 39.8 24.5
DirecTV 2 100.8W 214.5 225.7 39.0 26.2
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 214.5 225.7 39.0 26.2
AMC 4 101.0W 214.8 226.0 38.9 26.4
DirecTV 1 101.0W 214.8 226.0 38.9 26.4
AMSC 1 101.1W 214.9 226.1 38.8 26.5
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 215.0 226.2 38.8 26.6
AMC 1 103.0W 217.3 228.5 37.9 28.2
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 217.9 229.1 37.6 28.6
AMC 2 105.0W 219.8 230.9 36.8 29.9
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 219.8 230.9 36.8 29.9
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 219.8 230.9 36.8 29.9
MSAT 1 106.5W 221.5 232.7 36.0 31.1
Anik F1 107.3W 222.5 233.6 35.5 31.8
Anik E1 109.2W 224.6 235.8 34.4 33.2
DirecTV 6 109.8W 225.3 236.5 34.0 33.6
EchoStar 6 110.0W 225.5 236.7 33.9 33.8
EchoStar 8 110.0W 225.5 236.7 33.9 33.8
Anik E2R 111.1W 226.7 237.9 33.2 34.6
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 228.7 239.9 32.0 35.9
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 230.7 241.9 30.8 37.1
XM Rock 115.0W 230.8 242.0 30.7 37.2
SatMex 5 116.8W 232.6 243.8 29.5 38.3
Anik E2 118.7W 234.4 245.6 28.3 39.4
DirecTV 5 119.0W 234.7 245.9 28.0 39.5
EchoStar 7 119.0W 234.7 245.9 28.0 39.5
EchoStar 5 119.0W 234.7 245.9 28.0 39.5
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 236.6 247.8 26.7 40.6
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 238.4 249.6 25.3 41.6
Galaxy 5 125.0W 240.2 251.3 23.8 42.6
Galaxy 12 125.0W 240.2 251.3 23.8 42.6
Galaxy 13 127.0W 241.9 253.0 22.4 43.4
Telstar 7 129.0W 243.5 254.7 20.9 44.3
Satcom C3 131.0W 245.1 256.3 19.4 45.0
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 246.7 257.9 17.9 45.7
Satcom C4 135.0W 248.3 259.4 16.4 46.4
GOES 10 135.5W 248.6 259.8 16.0 46.6
AMC 7 137.0W 249.8 260.9 14.9 47.0
AMC 8 139.0W 251.2 262.4 13.4 47.6
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 253.4 264.6 11.1 48.3
EchoStar 1 148.0W 257.5 268.7 6.4 49.6
EchoStar 2 148.0W 257.5 268.7 6.4 49.6
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 259.5 270.7 4.1 50.1
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 259.5 270.7 4.1 50.1
EchoStar 4 157.0W 263.4 274.6 -0.5 50.8
Satellite Finder is (c) Copyright 2004, P. Lutus

[friendly37]

hi

I don't know how to reach this direction to 97 w. i know these degrees and so on. but how to get to them
i am living in 20109 manassas
uiin what direction


i am confused
thanks

[starman]

If you had your system setup before at your last location, then the elevation on the dish is probably still set right, unless you moved from a long way away. Put the dish on the mast, make sure it is plumb, then line it up with a compass, for Manassas that is 220.7 or 221 degrees. Stand out in front or behind your dish, get away from it because the metal will throw off the compass, line up the lnbf arm so it is pointing to 221 degrees on the compass. You will need to do some fine tuning, use an active transponder, Abu Dhabi at 12144V SR22000 is strong and on all the time. Is 20109 your zip code? My satellite program says its not a valid zip code.

[friendly37]

hi again
yopu told me to use a compass 220.7 in which direction facing the north or the south
i have no idea hiow to use a compass. please explain

i am in manassas virginia usa.

if i just know to which direction i should direct my dish i could find the satellite. i don't know if it is the north wes or north east. i really don't know where to direct the dish. if i only know where i could find it.


well how to use a compass?


thank again

[starman]

Plug in "how to use a compass" in Google, there are plenty of tutorials to get you going with your compass. Generally for IA5 at 97 you will be looking at the south west from your location. Lay your compass on a flat surface and let the needle settle. The arrow will be pointing to magnetic north. Now rotate the compass ring so N lines up with the arrow on the needle. There should be an adjustable arrow on the edge of the compass, slide it over to 221 degrees. That is where your dish should be pointing.

[friendly37]

thank you


well tomorrow if good will i will buy a compass and try it. it seems easy.

thanks again for your continuous hep

appreciated.

thanks

[starman]

Good luck, come back and let us know how you are making out

[wejones]

Originally Posted by starman

As you can see from the chart, 220.7 on a compass , elevation 40.7 would be pointing at IA5 from your location,
Manassas, VA 22110
Latitude 38° 46.134'N Longitude 77° 29.370'W
Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
-------------------------------------------------------------
...........
Telstar 5 97.0W 209.5 220.7 40.7 22.6
........

I know this isn't an important difference, but after reading this post, I decided to see how the results compared to my own programs, I noticed that I came up with a slightly different number for the magnetic azimuth, ie about 219.8 instead of 220.7, I was curious where the difference came from. Turns out my programs agreed on everything except for the magnetic deviation, ie difference between true azimuth and magnetic azimuth. It looks like the info above suggests a magnetic deviation of 11.2 . I use the program found at http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/WMM/soft.shtml , which seems to give me a deviation of 10.3 , which is supported by a map you can download at the same NOAA site. I assume that the program that generated the info above used a different model or something. While .9 degrees doesn't mean much difference with respect to the current project of locating IA5, 0.9 degrees seems to be a pretty big difference for other purposes, like navigation, which makes me curious what the source of the magnetic deviation is.
Just curious.... again, makes no significant difference here, as the calculations are just to get you close enough to peak on a signal.

[starman]

"Satellite finder uses a lookup data table of magnetic declinations derived from a NOAA declination predictor program named Geomag"

Not sure if that is what you were looking for Wejones, I spent some time on the Geomag site, it is very interesting. I learned the earth's magnetic field is constantly changing and almost impossible to predict....despite that fact, they use the above mentioned predictor program. So apparently, space and time play a large role. Your compass may not point to exactly the same direction today as it will tomorrow
I don't know why the declination values are different from sat finder program to sat finder program. For pointing a dish to a satellite with a compass, accuracy isn't paramount, but lilke you mentioned it seems odd that there would be different values floating around.

[elgemcdlf]

Starman! You are my hero! Well almost. What I need from you now is can I see M2 from SW Indiana. Specifically 38.9, 87.4. Where can I get info on this sat? It is not listed on lyngsat. Back in the mid to late 90's I used to get it. I just figured S2 had replaced it. C or Ku? or both? I do have a tile for it in my 922. I currently have 118 Spanish language channels on the DVB receiver and M2 would tip me over the 120 mark Maybe even 125. The inclination is no big deal I will just designate a dish to it.

TIA
Steve

[wejones]

Originally Posted by starman

"Satellite finder uses a lookup data table of magnetic declinations derived from a NOAA declination predictor program named Geomag"

Not sure if that is what you were looking for Wejones, I spent some time on the Geomag site, it is very interesting. I learned the earth's magnetic field is constantly changing and almost impossible to predict....despite that fact, they use the above mentioned predictor program. So apparently, space and time play a large role. Your compass may not point to exactly the same direction today as it will tomorrow
I don't know why the declination values are different from sat finder program to sat finder program. For pointing a dish to a satellite with a compass, accuracy isn't paramount, but lilke you mentioned it seems odd that there would be different values floating around.

Thanks. Yes, Geomag is basically the same program I was talking about, although I was using a newer version called Geomag52_dos.exe, because my version of Geomag stopped working after 2004, so I got a new version a while back. But it's the same program. So it's strange that it's giving different results, unless the "lookup table" they refer to was created a LONG time ago. When I ran the program, it said it was only changing something like 1/60th deg per year or something like that.
Re compass not pointing the same direction, I have places on my property where there are 5 deg differences if I move about 5 feet, and this is in the middle of the woods. Although the "woods" had been logged 20-30 years ago, so I guess it's possible that there is some metal buried under the surface. But like you suggest, I don't trust compasses very much. When I need an acurate direction, I usually look up when the sun will be at a specific azimuth, and use shadows to determine directions.
Anyway, thanks for the information.

[starman]

Steve, I don't think Morelos is still around, reference to it in that program might just be showing how old the data is. It seems to me the Satmex satellite took its place but I could be wrong. I checked on SatcoDx but couldn't find it. Here are the angles if you want to give it a try:
BTW, if anyone wants to try this program it is called Sat Finder, a google search will take you to the home page, it is what the author calls "careware"??, doesn't cost anything, you just have to care

Latitude 38° 54.000'N Longitude 87° 24.000'W
Sat Name Sat Lng Az(t) Az(m) El Skew
-------------------------------------------------------------
*** Of Particular Interest ***

EchoStar 3 61.5W 142.3 145.3 37.5 -28.4
EchoStar 6 110.0W 213.5 216.5 39.2 25.5
EchoStar 8 110.0W 213.5 216.5 39.2 25.5
EchoStar 7 119.0W 224.4 227.4 34.3 33.0
EchoStar 5 119.0W 224.4 227.4 34.3 33.0
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 226.6 229.6 33.1 34.4
EchoStar 1 148.0W 250.5 253.5 14.0 47.2
EchoStar 2 148.0W 250.5 253.5 14.0 47.2
EchoStar 4 157.0W 256.9 259.9 7.1 49.3

DirecTV 3 81.8W 171.1 174.1 44.6 -6.9
DirecTV 2 100.8W 200.8 203.8 42.8 16.0
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 200.8 203.8 42.8 16.0
DirecTV 1 101.0W 201.1 204.1 42.8 16.2
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 201.4 204.4 42.7 16.5
DirecTV 6 109.8W 213.3 216.3 39.3 25.3
DirecTV 5 119.0W 224.4 227.4 34.3 33.0

*** All Satellites 61W - 160W ***

Amazonas 61.0W 141.7 144.7 37.3 -28.9
EchoStar 3 61.5W 142.3 145.3 37.5 -28.4
Rainbow 1 61.5W 142.3 145.3 37.5 -28.4
Brasilsat A2 (incl. 5.8 deg) 63.0W 144.2 147.2 38.3 -27.1
Brasilsat B2 65.0W 146.7 149.7 39.3 -25.3
Brasilsat B1 70.0W 153.5 156.5 41.4 -20.3
Nahuel 1 71.8W 156.0 159.0 42.1 -18.4
AMC 6 72.0W 156.3 159.3 42.2 -18.2
Galaxy 12 74.0W 159.2 162.2 42.8 -16.0
SBS 6 74.0W 159.2 162.2 42.8 -16.0
GOES 12 75.0W 160.7 163.7 43.1 -14.9
AMC 5 79.0W 166.8 169.8 44.1 -10.3
DirecTV 3 81.8W 171.1 174.1 44.6 -6.9
Nimiq 2 82.0W 171.4 174.4 44.6 -6.7
Brasilsat B3 84.0W 174.6 177.6 44.8 -4.2
XM Roll 85.0W 176.2 179.2 44.9 -3.0
AMC 9 85.0W 176.2 179.2 44.9 -3.0
AMC 3 87.0W 179.4 182.4 45.0 -0.5
Galaxy 9 91.0W 185.7 188.7 44.8 4.4
Galaxy 11 91.0W 185.7 188.7 44.8 4.4
Nimiq 1 91.0W 185.7 188.7 44.8 4.4
Brasilsat B4 92.0W 187.3 190.3 44.7 5.7
Telstar 6 93.0W 188.9 191.9 44.6 6.9
Galaxy 8I (incl. 1.0 deg) 95.0W 192.0 195.0 44.3 9.3
Galaxy 3C 95.0W 192.0 195.0 44.3 9.3
Telstar 5 97.0W 195.1 198.1 43.9 11.7
Inmarsat 2 f2 (incl. 1.7 deg) 98.0W 196.6 199.6 43.6 12.8
Galaxy 4R 99.0W 198.1 201.1 43.4 14.0
DirecTV 2 100.8W 200.8 203.8 42.8 16.0
DirecTV 1R 100.8W 200.8 203.8 42.8 16.0
AMC 4 101.0W 201.1 204.1 42.8 16.2
DirecTV 1 101.0W 201.1 204.1 42.8 16.2
AMSC 1 101.1W 201.2 204.2 42.7 16.4
DirecTV 4S 101.2W 201.4 204.4 42.7 16.5
AMC 1 103.0W 204.0 207.0 42.1 18.4
Solidaridad 1 (incl. 2.8 deg) 103.5W 204.7 207.7 41.9 19.0
AMC 2 105.0W 206.8 209.8 41.4 20.5
G-Star 3 (incl. 11.5 deg) 105.0W 206.8 209.8 41.4 20.5
G-Star 1 (incl. 6.0 deg) 105.0W 206.8 209.8 41.4 20.5
MSAT 1 106.5W 208.9 211.9 40.8 22.1
Anik F1 107.3W 210.0 213.0 40.4 22.9
Anik E1 109.2W 212.5 215.5 39.6 24.7
DirecTV 6 109.8W 213.3 216.3 39.3 25.3
EchoStar 6 110.0W 213.5 216.5 39.2 25.5
EchoStar 8 110.0W 213.5 216.5 39.2 25.5
Anik E2R 111.1W 215.0 218.0 38.7 26.5
Solidaridad 2 113.0W 217.3 220.3 37.7 28.2
Morelos 2 (incl. 4.4 deg) 114.9W 219.7 222.7 36.7 29.8
XM Rock 115.0W 219.8 222.8 36.6 29.9
SatMex 5 116.8W 221.9 224.9 35.6 31.3
Anik E2 118.7W 224.1 227.1 34.5 32.8
DirecTV 5 119.0W 224.4 227.4 34.3 33.0
EchoStar 7 119.0W 224.4 227.4 34.3 33.0
EchoStar 5 119.0W 224.4 227.4 34.3 33.0
EchoStar 9/Telstar 13 121.0W 226.6 229.6 33.1 34.4
Galaxy 10R 123.0W 228.7 231.7 31.9 35.8
Galaxy 5 125.0W 230.8 233.8 30.6 37.1
Galaxy 12 125.0W 230.8 233.8 30.6 37.1
Galaxy 13 127.0W 232.8 235.8 29.3 38.3
Telstar 7 129.0W 234.7 237.7 27.9 39.4
Satcom C3 131.0W 236.6 239.6 26.5 40.5
Galaxy 1R 133.0W 238.4 241.4 25.1 41.5
Satcom C4 135.0W 240.2 243.2 23.7 42.5
GOES 10 135.5W 240.6 243.6 23.3 42.7
AMC 7 137.0W 241.9 244.9 22.2 43.3
AMC 8 139.0W 243.5 246.5 20.8 44.2
Inmarsat 2 f3 (incl. 1.9 deg) 142.0W 246.0 248.9 18.6 45.3
EchoStar 1 148.0W 250.5 253.5 14.0 47.2
EchoStar 2 148.0W 250.5 253.5 14.0 47.2
TDRS 9 (incl. 7.4 deg) 151.0W 252.7 255.7 11.7 48.0
TDRS 10 (incl. 6.2 deg) 151.0W 252.7 255.7 11.7 48.0
EchoStar 4 157.0W 256.9 259.9 7.1 49.3
Satellite Finder is (c) Copyright 2004, P. Lutus

[friendly37]

hello again

well i have directed the dish now to 220 but still there is no signal at all.

well
i see that abu dhabi freq in my receiver is 12144 v sr 22000 but you told me that it is 12146.

may be the tp is false. please set me how which ip i should adjust it. thank you again

[starman]

Your receiver is correct, 12146 is right. I took the setting from MyTheatre, an old ini file that used 12144, it works but I checked Lyngsat and they list it as 12146.
I'm guessing you haven't aligned a dish before? If not, be prepared to be patient. Just setting the azimuth with the compass and elevation on the dish, also the skew, is just the beginning. You would be very lucky if you hit the satellite on the first try. Once you have all the angles set, the right frequency selected in your receiver, then you will need to search for the signal, move the dish up, then down, very slowly, give the receiver time to react to the change. You may have to also move the dish on the mast, left or right to lock the signal. Its a lot easier if you can take a small tv and your receiver to the dish site and watch the signal-quality meter on the receiver as you make the dish adjustments.

[friendly37]

well i have alined dishes before but they were bigger.

well i am thinking that may be there is something with the lnd it is a standard one. i bought it wih=th the dish and the receiver and they told it can catch these channels

well i will try again and see
because it is the first time and i don't have any signal at all.

either the receiver or the lnb

it is not normal

well that is okay

i will try again

[starman]

Ok, a standard lnbf, that would be 10750 in the receiver setup. You say you aren't getting any signal, do you mean you get zero on the signal meter on the receiver? Or just that you can't find the IA5 signal? If you have no signal on the