FTA + Premium Channels

elgemcdlf · #1 (**permalink**) 03-06-2006, 07:56 AM

Does anyone know who / where to purchase premium programming for either Nagravision (preferred) or Irdeto encrypted channels? What I am looking at is movie channels primarily.

pictureon · #2 (**permalink**) 03-08-2006, 12:24 AM

Globecast. www.globecastwtv.com
Dishnetwork. www.dishnetwork.com

greenmaji · #3 (**permalink**) 03-09-2006, 05:13 AM

Im not so sure you can purchase just the movie channels without a larger package on a DSS system..

I would look into 4dtv programing providers for that service (that is if your Cband dish has what it takes to pull them in, big enough and has a good Cband LNB)

wejones · #4 (**permalink**) 03-09-2006, 08:48 AM

I think this topic has drifted away from what the original poster was asking, before the answers get more off topic, I'm going to try to clarify what I "THINK" the question was really about.
If you look at about the 16th post in the "No or Bad Signal" thread in this Fortec Star forum, the above poster says that what he is looking for is a way to subscribe to Dishnet without using a Dishnet receiver, ie by using the Fortec Platinum receiver, or some other FTA receiver with a CAM module.
The original poster is already aware of 4DTV type programming, and of DishNet reception using DishNet equipment. He wants SELL FTA systems to people with the understanding that they can subscribe to Dishnet programming via a FTA receiver.
In the other thread, I posted that it was my understanding that this was not possible because Dishnet would not authorize any receiver other than a Dishnet receiver. I know that there are some foreign language providers who will authorize a FTA receiver with a CAM module, but to my knowledge Dishnet will not do this, nor will any other company that sells Premium Programming. That is my understanding, I have not tried to ask Dishnet itself, but I have never read any post from anyone who has successfully gotten a non-Dishnet receiver authorized to subscribe to Dishnet Premium or any other Dishnet programming.

So getting back to the original question..... Has anyone ever sucessfully talked Dishnet into authorizing an FTA receiver with a CAM module?

If I have mis-interpreted the original poster's intentions, I am sorry, but if that isn't the intention, then I am confused with respect to why is this question in the Fortec forum?

I think it's unfortunate that many people pay extra to get an FTA receiver with the CAM module capability thinking that it will allow them to receive Dishnet or other subscription services. The bad thing about this is that it creates a lot of unhappy fta receiver owners. The only good thing is that perhaps in the future, if there are a lot of these CAM capable receivers out there, Dish, or some other company will actually put up premium channels that people with these receivers can subscribe to, but it is my understanding that the pickings are very slim at this point in time. I'd be happy if someone posts that I'm wrong on this, and I was hoping that Sadoun would have commented in the other thread, but he didn't. However if you read the Sadoun web page, it is very specific with respect to what you CAN subscribe to with the CAM modules, and that does NOT include dish network. And notice that I say subscribe to, which is different from having the capability of receiving if the provider chooses to authorize your receiver.

elgemcdlf · #5 (**permalink**) 03-09-2006, 10:43 AM

Where would I find this info on the Sadoun site? Next on the list is you are somewhat correct in your assessment of the question but I am not limited to only Dish Network. Perhaps since these are big in Europe as I understand it a European provider of such programming authorized to do business on US footprint birds would fit the bill also. Or a dealer authorized to hit the birds over the Atlantic that are reachable by Indiana (down to 30 degrees) that happen to carry the programming.

Dish Network as I understand it is a multichannel per something carrier which is proprietary and not compatable with a standard FTA receiver. Even though I get the music channels so I am not confident that info is all that accurate. Came from a local dealer here.

You are correct I am fully aware of what is out there for my 4DTV system and my dish and LNB's are more than capable or receiving anything out there from this point on the map.

Thanks,
Steve

wejones · #6 (**permalink**) 03-09-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Where would I find this info on the Sadoun site?

What I was referring to was not specific to the Platinum receiver, but was information included in their description of another Fortec receiver with a Nagravision CAM capability, ie:
http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/F...0+Receiver.htm
Note this describes the capability of subscribing to a specific Paquete Digital para América service on Hispasat 1C , and nothing else. Also, I just noticed that down at the bottom of the page it says "Note: This receiver will NOT work for DISH NETWORK. DN requires you to use their brand receivers to subscribe to their service."
I assume that this would apply to ALL fta receivers of any brand/model that have the CAM capability.

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Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Dish Network as I understand it is a multichannel per something carrier which is proprietary and not compatable with a standard FTA receiver. Even though I get the music channels so I am not confident that info is all that accurate. Came from a local dealer here.

Well the multichannel per carrier thing is nothing special, and a FTA receiver is perfectly capable of receiving the Dishnet channels if they aren't encrypted, it's just that they aren't willing to make subscriptions available to non-dishnet receivers. Probably because they can't control the security.

elgemcdlf · #7 (**permalink**) 03-09-2006, 02:47 PM

I am not that familiar with the Dish Network stuff so bear with me if you would. I was under the impression the card controlled programming. I assumed the card was id'd to a specific receiver. In other words I could not take a card from one receiver and put it in another without authorization. Simply would not work since receiver id's would not match from card to receiver.

This was all assumption on my part as I have no real knowledge at all on the subject. If that is not the case then anyone with a smart card ready receiver and Nagravision capable could in theory simply install their card so yes a serious security issue for Dish Network but at the same time not really as the card is still authorized by them and paid for.

I know with my 922 they ask for unit id when subscribing to programming. Just kinda figured any receiver that took CAMs or smart cards would be the same way. Unique ID. If this discussion is getting to close for comfort I can end it here

greenmaji · #8 (**permalink**) 03-09-2006, 06:04 PM

this is just to be infromative..
there security is based off a rotating key system and that information is stored in there recivers or cards that are shipped out when the security keys are changed..

I would think they wouldn't want to bother with other recivers so they wouldn't have to do tech support for the other recivers really.. think about it, they would have to keep up with all the bugs of all the FTA recivers that had this ability, that could be a big pain for them I would think. So long as someone is paying there subsriciption I would think they would be compeled to fix it, then that could lead to more security holes..