No or Bad Signal

[paulp73]

Hey..can any help with this??? I've got a Fortec Classic NA and i get some channels, but on others, it says no or bad signal. The meter reads from 0-12%, but when i hook my disn network satelite up to the same dish, it says its getting 95% signal strength..any ideas why the Fortec is having issues?

Paul

[DruzeTito]

when you hook up your dish net receiver you are getting signal for what? Tps that you dont get with the Fortec?

[paulp73]

my dish is pointed to 110 degrees...when it is hooked up to my regular 301 receiver from dish network, i get 95% strength. When i hook it up to my fortec classic NA lifetime, is says the signal is unlocked, but strength is 0-6% tops 13% sometimes..hope that explains more..

[DruzeTito]

which tps are you getting and not getting with your fortec?

[paulp73]

what does TPS mean?

[pictureon]

TP is Transponder.

You can not get dishnetwok channels on FTA receiver. If you're testing the receiver for signal, You're getting a good signal on the dishnetwork receiver because the lnb settings are correct. On FTA receiver however you need to set the LNB type and frequency depending on what kind you're using.

[DruzeTito]

i meant transponders. If you dont know what that is as well.. a transponder is basically like a "container or box" for numberous channels on a satellite. One tp can maybe hold 10-20 channels. Every Transponder has a frequency (for example 12224 Mhz), a polarity (Vertical or Horizontal for linear beam satellites) and Left and Right polarity for circular beam sats like the dish network. And finally each transponder has it's own symbol rate.. a rate of data transfer. So for example a sample dish network transponder is 12224 V 20000. 20000 is the symbol rate.

I asked you which tps you are getting because dish network's 110 satellite has about 23 tps each holding a bunch of encrypted channels. So to check you should see first if your cable that goes into your echostar receiver is coming from a switch. You have to set the right settings on your fortec to receive the 110 signal.

BTW , 110 only has GOL TV as a FTA channel i think.. nothing more!

[paulp73]

my echo star receiver is set on tuner input 02, spotbeam/transponder 01 and satelite 110.

my fortec is set on scan 23 which is dish 110 6,8
tp freq 12.443-H- 20.000
LNB 11250
LNB Power 13/18
22Khz - auto
postion - not set
DiSEqC - OFF
sat Lock - off
scan mode FTA ONly -
Network Search OFF

Ideas on what i might need to change?

[elgemcdlf]

What is your LNB? If it is not a circular then the setting you have entered is incorrect. For the record I have had no problem identifying signal from any of the DSS sats. That is with a linear LNB just won't get the channels. Are you certain you have the correct settings for your LNB. That will cause a no signal reading. What happens if you point your dish at a different sat?

Steve

[wejones]

Originally Posted by paulp73

my echo star receiver is set on tuner input 02, spotbeam/transponder 01 and satelite 110.

my fortec is set on scan 23 which is dish 110 6,8
tp freq 12.443-H- 20.000
LNB 11250
LNB Power 13/18
22Khz - auto
postion - not set
DiSEqC - OFF
sat Lock - off
scan mode FTA ONly -
Network Search OFF

Ideas on what i might need to change?

Out of curiosity, try changing your freq from 12443 to 13157 .

I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing that you are "T"-ing off a DishPro lnbf, which has 2 LO freqs. From what I've read, one of these freqs is 14350 instead of 11250, and supposedly odd channels use one LO and even use the other. I think that the 14350 LO freq would convert the 12443 freq to the same IF freq that would result from the 11250 LO acting on 13157. So I think that if my guess is right, you will get a lock if you put the receiver on that freq.
Of course, if you AREN'T "T"-ing off a dish-pro, then ignore the above, but I guess I should have put that warning before you read this far.

[paulp73]

elgemcdlf::

my lnb is a quad ...

[elgemcdlf]

quad what? Circular? Linear? Combo circular & linear?

[wejones]

I'm guessing he has a Dish-pro quad, which means that 3/4ths of his transponders won't be where he expects them to be, and he may have a lot of trouble getting to all transponders unless he "T"s off the dishnet receiver and has it control the lnbf.
I don't have any dishnet equipment, but I understand that it is rather complicated controlling these things with anything other than the dishnet receiver. Not to mention the lack of much in the way of FTA stuff on those sats.

[elgemcdlf]

The only usable FTA I have found is the radio channels on either 110 or 119. There is HBO Starz and Encore out on 148 but they are MPEG4 to which I am awaiting someone with knowledge to answer my post in other receivers forum.

These channels require a circular LNB to get. I have one dish with the Invacom Quad (2 circular and 2 linear) which permits me to receive these radio channels. If I am not mistaken the same channels are on T5. Just wanted to say I did it

I am running a Platinum receiver and (while not completely sure) that with a Nagravision card I could potentially subscribe to DSS programming with this unit. I presently do not have the card but when I get one I am going to try. I market FTA systems to nonenglish speakers and the ability to subscribe to DSS is a big plus. I can say "If you are not happy with thsi system you can always use it for Dish Network Simply purchase the card and subscribe. Minimal rain fade problems ...

Those are my thoughts anyway.

Steve

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

I am running a Platinum receiver and (while not completely sure) that with a Nagravision card I could potentially subscribe to DSS programming with this unit. I presently do not have the card but when I get one I am going to try. I market FTA systems to nonenglish speakers and the ability to subscribe to DSS is a big plus. I can say "If you are not happy with thsi system you can always use it for Dish Network Simply purchase the card and subscribe. Minimal rain fade problems ...

Those are my thoughts anyway.

Steve

Assuming by DSS, you mean DTV, then I think that no FTA receiver can receive video on those signals. So even with a card, you can't subscribe. Re the dish network stuff, the Platinum receiver, you can at least lock the dishnet signals, but it is my understanding that there is no way that you can subscribe to these signals. It is possible if Dish would sell you a card, but they won't. At least that is my understanding.
Now the rain faid thing, that can only be helped by going to a bigger dish, not by using a different receiver. If you get one of the bigger dishes sold with the FTA systems, you might be able to cure your rain fade if you only have a one satellite system, however if you are trying to receive more than one of those dishnet sats, I don't think you can easily do it.

[elgemcdlf]

Ok I think you misunderstood. I market FTA systems. Both stationary and motorized. I also want one of these systems to be able to receive somebody from the DSS side of life. As far as marketing one plus is making statements like "minimal rain fade".

So you do not believe that with a Nagravision CAM and circular LNB that DishNetwork programming could be viewed with a FTA receiver? Why not? It is MPEG2 DVB compliant. The Nagravision CAM covers the descrambling but may require a phone line attached. That sounds rough as that would make CI basically useless. I was hoping it was similiar in concept to a DigiCipher receiver. Can receive clear channels and subscribe to scrambled. A little clearer?

Steve

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Ok I think you misunderstood. I market FTA systems. Both stationary and motorized. I also want one of these systems to be able to receive somebody from the DSS side of life. As far as marketing one plus is making statements like "minimal rain fade".

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, re "receive somebody from the DSS side of life". Are you trying to attract DSS subscribers into buying a system that can't receive DSS programming? If so, it may be good marketing idea, but I don't think you'll have any happy customers. FTA systems are not really systems that most DTV or Dish subscribers would be satisfied with. It's sort of apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

So you do not believe that with a Nagravision CAM and circular LNB that DishNetwork programming could be viewed with a FTA receiver? Why not? It is MPEG2 DVB compliant. The Nagravision CAM covers the descrambling but may require a phone line attached. That sounds rough as that would make CI basically useless. I was hoping it was similiar in concept to a DigiCipher receiver. Can receive clear channels and subscribe to scrambled. A little clearer?

Steve

Clearer, but I still interpret it the same way. Obviously, a FTA receiver is capable of receiving DishNetwork programming in the rare occasions when it is not scrambled, as is the case with the music channels mentioned. The Nagravision module is theoretically capable of allowing you to subscribe to the scrambled channels, but that would depend on Dish authorizing your receiver, and it is my understanding that they will not authorize anything other than their own receivers. Hopefully Sadoun will confirm this.

[paulp73]

ok..so ived got a linear...a regular dish that points one direction all the time. The weird thing is my cuz has the same system and at his house i get 80-90% signal strength and its a linear also. Can you change the Transponder on the fortec system...if so, how?

Thanks