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Old 12-01-2005, 06:45 PM
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Just a little confused.

I just bought a Lifetime Classic Receiver and a SM3D12 Motor. I read things in the instruction book and then online that seem to contradict each other. The motor are came set on about 10 degree's, and the instruction game me a formula that indicates it should be at 1.15 degree's. The problem is the instructions don't tell how to move the motor are to get it in the correct position. The I read somewhere, I think on this message board that the arm should be set at 0 degree's to start when pointing the dish at my true south. So which is it? can anybody give some help?
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:56 PM
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you are getting confused and you are confusing me also.

the motor's ELEVATION should be set to your location latitude. This number will be on it's scale.

When you are setting up your motor, make sure it is in the 0 degree position. If it is not in this position, hook it up to your receiver and move it to the reference position using the USALS menu in the antenna setup menu.
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Old 12-01-2005, 08:22 PM
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you are getting confused and you are confusing me also.

the motor's ELEVATION should be set to your location latitude. This number will be on it's scale.

When you are setting up your motor, make sure it is in the 0 degree position. If it is not in this position, hook it up to your receiver and move it to the reference position using the USALS menu in the antenna setup menu.
So, it should be at the 0 degree position for the set up and my instruction manual is basically wrong then? Thanks for the help.
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:18 PM
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hey... l00k at this website :
http://sadoun.com/Sat/Installation/H...stallation.htm
how to install an HH motor--- DiSEqC & USALS Compatible Motors ...

g00d lucks man !!!
Benny...

PS: pay attention at PICTURE 2 ... and Dish Elevation Angle where your motor Satcontrol SM3D12 is ...
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So, it should be at the 0 degree position for the set up and my instruction manual is basically wrong then? Thanks for the help.
What does it actually say in the manual?
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Old 12-02-2005, 08:15 AM
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So, it should be at the 0 degree position for the set up and my instruction manual is basically wrong then? Thanks for the help.
What does it actually say in the manual?
It doesn't say anything about the arm being at the zero point, but it does elude to moving the arm from zero (but doesn't say how) to a point decided by using a mathmatical formula in order to find the Satellite closest to my true south which is 3C.
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Old 01-03-2006, 03:51 PM
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Well Sadoun, thanks for nothing. I am now out over $400.00 because Sadoun will not take my equipment back as a return. I guess I shouldn't have bothered trying to set it up in the first place. The reason I bought from here is because I figured I would have the help and resources to hire an installer or be able to install myself. That turns out to be incorrect, I guess I should have read over the return information right away, but I assumed that the equipment would install and work properly and not need to be returned. Hell, I don't even know if the equipment is working correctly and the people at Sadoun can't tell me either. What a joke!!!!
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What did Sadoun do wrong here? Many of us have bought the equipment and installed it our selves. It is not always easy, but it is not that difficult either.

If you think your equipment is faulty, you should have returned it within the limits of return policy. Once the return policy expires you are on your own (or at the mercy of the product Warranty if your equipment fails).

We have helped many people on here get going with their systems, few have failed, but more have succeeded.
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Old 01-03-2006, 04:58 PM
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If you think your equipment is faulty, you should have returned it within the limits of return policy. Once the return policy expires you are on your own (or at the mercy of the product Warranty if your equipment fails).
I didn't know I had the means to test the equipment? You see if I can't get a signal, I really have now idea if it's working or not. Also, the Sadoun people I talked to on the phone couldn't tell me how to figure out if the equipment was the problem or not. I guess it must be one of those things where you have to get lucky and the talk to the one person that actually knows what they are doing.
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Old 01-03-2006, 06:34 PM
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I didn't know I had the means to test the equipment? You see if I can't get a signal, I really have now idea if it's working or not. Also, the Sadoun people I talked to on the phone couldn't tell me how to figure out if the equipment was the problem or not. I guess it must be one of those things where you have to get lucky and the talk to the one person that actually knows what they are doing.
Sadoun has technical support, but it is hard for them to troubleshoot anything if the equipment is not properly installed.

They cannot individually help everyone with the installation instructions and that's why they have them on their website (and why they have this forum for others to try and help you).

I might be oversimplifying, but let's say you bought a DVD player from Best Buy and cannot figure out how to hook up the cable between the DVD and the TV. Do you think that Best buy would be able to tell you that your DVD player is at fault or not?

Again, all I am saying that I don't see why/how could Sadoun be at fault for any of this. They have a return policy and if you were unsuccessful to install it with in the return period, I am sure they would have had no problems accepting your return.
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I must attest that I have had nothing but great service from Sadoun Satellite Sales. I purchased a complete system from them and another from a competitor. The cost was comparable and equipment also. I may or may not have had a problem with the first LNB I got from Sadoun. When I initially set it up I set it to Universal (10600) and had no signal. I called Sadoun on a saturday during the install and the person who answered said it should be set as a 10600 unit so maybe the LNB was bad.

I swapped the LNB with one I had and sent the original in for replacement which was handled within a week which was both send and receive time. The LNB I put in was an actual 10600 and showed signal. When I received the replacement LNB I installed and no signal. I once again called and got someone different who instructed me that the LNB was a 10750 unit. WOW I now had signal. I now have a system capable of FTA and viewing any DBS channels available out there.

I have a CI receiver so a simple Nagravision card and subscription to either DBS company and I have either. Anyway back to Sadoun. The other system caused me fits to get installed and setup. Roughly 30 hours of my time. Company is closed on saturday thus no support at all on the weekend. Equipment was of lesser grade quality overall which was / is a portion of the install problems.

I had received a defective remote with one of the receivers I purchased from Sadoun and one with the other company. I had my replacement remote within a week from Sadoun and 2 weeks from the other company. For the record I have 4 FTA receivers. The folks at Sadoun have treated me quite well and this forum also which they provide as a service. My only complaint with Sadoun which I have with the other company also. They seem to be quick to assume a person is trying to hack (probably with good cause). When I stated I wanted to be able to setup a system that could be used for both FTA and DBS they both immediately thought I was talking about stealing signal.

DBS offers many channels not available with straight FTA. The ability to subscribe to these channels without yet another system installed is a great advantage. My only suggestion is perhaps ask a few questions about what the customer wants when they start to talk a dual purpose system Now if I could just get the DBS people to offer programming AlaCarte

By the way I have also worked with yet another company / supplier out there and they barely speak english. Have absolutely no support and larger time delays.

If you follow the instructs on this site for installing a motorized system it will work. Double check everything you do. Now you have it in and still have a problem. Is the system moving? Are you mounted securely and is your mast plumb? That is the beginning. After that find true south. Do you have a sat location meter? There is a small inexpensive unit sold here that works fine. Ok you are roughly at true south. Your motor is set to your latitude.

Hook up your meter and set your east to west to the highest reading on your meter. Now simply loosen the DISH elevation and move it slowly (did I say SLOWLY) up and down to further peak the signal. You should be good to go now. Enter your location info into the USALS area of your receiver and start setting sats.

Might need to adjust a little here and there but you should be real close to grabbing everything out there. It is just that simple.

Have a great day
Steve

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Thanks Steve for pulling this thread back. Caught my attention.

So what happen to verk? Seems he is one impatient fellow.. satellite setup takes patience! If you have a motor triple that patience!!
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Not sure what happened to Verk. If you are still out there and have $400.00 into the system then why not enlist the help of a professional installer? There should be one or two in your area. NOT Dish Network people or Direct TV but actual satellite people. Or I am sure someone here might be interested in buying what you have. As a matter of fact depending on the lnb you have I would be interested in everything you have.
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