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Old 07-22-2005, 02:32 PM
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ADVICE, Do I have reasonable expectations?

I am considering purchasing a complete motorized Fortec system and analog sat finder.

I will be moving soon (to New Castle, Indiana) and would like to purchase the system so I don't have waste money on cable or DirecTV.

I've done a little research and here is what I expect I should recieve from FTA:

PBS
PBS Kids
ABC
NBC
CBS
FOX
UPN
WB
A music channel?
A 24/7 News channel?


Would my assumptions be correct? What other (english) channels could I expect, that are non religious/sports? If I simply recieved the ones listed above for free with a decent picture, that would be enough. I understand channels are subject to change.

I have looked thru lyngsat and found some channels that may be of interest but they don't have the "F box" to show they are FTA, thoug the color index shows they are "clear".

So what english channels do you get?
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http://www.skyvision.com/pages/infor...o_am_west.html

http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

Best choice:
http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Channels/C...tellite-TV.htm
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:22 AM
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Re: ADVICE, Do I have reasonable expectations?

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I am considering purchasing a complete motorized Fortec system and analog sat finder.

I will be moving soon (to New Castle, Indiana) and would like to purchase the system so I don't have waste money on cable or DirecTV.

I've done a little research and here is what I expect I should recieve from FTA:

PBS
PBS Kids
ABC
NBC
CBS
FOX
UPN
WB
A music channel?
A 24/7 News channel?


Would my assumptions be correct? What other (english) channels could I expect, that are non religious/sports? If I simply recieved the ones listed above for free with a decent picture, that would be enough. I understand channels are subject to change.

I have looked thru lyngsat and found some channels that may be of interest but they don't have the "F box" to show they are FTA, thoug the color index shows they are "clear".

So what english channels do you get?
Assuming that the channels are still there, and are DVB format, ie not DCII or NTSC, etc, you should get anything that the color code indicates is not scrambled, depending a bit on what receiver you choose. Also be aware that unless you get a big (8 or 10') dish, you probably won't be able to get any of the C-band signals (ie those with frequencies in the 3700-4200 range). From your list, the ABC/CBS/NBC networks are the most questionable, as you can't rely on them. You will see a lot of channels listed in Lyngsat as network transponders, but most of them are used for feeds rather than the actual prime time schedule for example. Of course, to many people the feeds are more interesting. NBC is available on C-band, and you can usually find the other networks, but you can't rely on them.
The PBS channels are available NOW, however you will need a receiver that does AC3 audio, like a Lifetime Ultra, or one of the TwinHan computer cards.
Also, you will notice that some channels are listed as 4.2.2. You won't be able to receive those with a set top box, although with a Twinhan card you can. Similarly channels listed as HDTV channels can't be received with most set top boxes, but if your computer is fast enough, or if you have a Roku network interface, you can view HD with a computer card receiver.
Also, many of the music channels are on the circualr polarized DBS satellites, ie the Echo, and Nimiq sats, and although many of the music channels are not scrambled, you will probably need a DBS dish or lnbf to receive them, although you will be able to find some that you can receive with the regular lnbf.
However, the biggest "if" is that what you can receive today may not be what you can receive tomorrow, ie your "channels are subject to change" comment above. Ie many of the channels on satellite come and go. Lyngsat is a pretty good reference, but you will find things there that are not on the air anymore, and there are some signals on the air that aren't listed. Also, there are some channels that are typically scrambled, but go into fta mode on occasion, but not long enough to be listed as fta. However, for the most part, Lyngsat is pretty accurate.
Personally, although at times you can find many cable type channels with a FTA system, I would not consider a FTA system as a reasonable replacement for cable or DTV, but I see it as a way to see things that I can't find otherwise.
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According to http://www.skyvision.com/pages/infor...o_am_east.html

I found 3 ABC stations listed on KU band; KKTU Cheyenne, WPRU Aquadilla, and KTWO Casper

One NBC station, WVGN Virgin Islands and one CBS WVXF St Thomas

Are these hare to get in or something? How long have they been around?

I fully understand that channels can vanish/move without warning (and often do). I'm just trying to get feel for things. Can YOU get these in NOW, and if so - what LNB and Dish do you use?

For instance:

http://www.lyngsat.com/amazonas.html

Is an "Atlantic" bird, but according to lyngsat Indiana is not "below horizon"
so with a 100cm dish, could I pick it up (to get Scream TV)?

Anyone in the midwest get this?
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Well, Voom and one of Dish's sats (Echo 3) is at 61.5

Its low on the horizon for the west coast, but do-able since I did read of some guys successful with Voom in California.

From Indiana it should be OK.
Stand where your dish would be. Face South.

The 61 degree sat would be to your left approx South East.
The Elevation would be approx 30 degrees from ground.
If you have a clear shot without any trees/buildings etc in the way.

Are you sure "Scream" is obtainable by FTA boxes? It kinda shows as HD type signal on Lyngsat...
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According to http://www.skyvision.com/pages/infor...o_am_east.html

I found 3 ABC stations listed on KU band; KKTU Cheyenne, WPRU Aquadilla, and KTWO Casper

One NBC station, WVGN Virgin Islands and one CBS WVXF St Thomas

Are these hare to get in or something? How long have they been around?

I fully understand that channels can vanish/move without warning (and often do). I'm just trying to get feel for things. Can YOU get these in NOW, and if so - what LNB and Dish do you use?
Last time I tried, I got them fine. I'm using a big 10' C/Ku dish, however for Ku, a 3' dish would work just as well.

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For instance:

http://www.lyngsat.com/amazonas.html

Is an "Atlantic" bird, but according to lyngsat Indiana is not "below horizon"
so with a 100cm dish, could I pick it up (to get Scream TV)?

Anyone in the midwest get this?
Besides being above the horizon, you have to look at the footprint. In Lyngsat, look over to the right in the Beam column. If you see CONUS, you should be able to get it. If you look at the Amazonas sat you referenced, most of the Ku transponders are listed as South America or Brazil, however the one transponder you mentioned seems to be labled as North America, and if you click on that link, the map looks like Indianna should be a good signal. I've never tried that one myself, so I tried it. I got a nice strong signal on it, but it didn't seem to be Scream. I got channels, one a GSTN testing (some music with people dancing and "testing" scrolling across the bottom), 2 "secrets" channels (looks like they were showing sat receivers), a Guyana TV that was just color bars, and another channel labeled SDT-FETV. I have no idea what any of these channels are, but it demontrates that it should be receivable in Indianna, as you are more in the center of the footprint than I am in Maine. But it also demonstrates the what was there yesterday might not be there today thing.


EDIT: Forgot to mention. All the above channels were standard definition, not HD like it suggested in Lyngsat. Unless I picked up some other sat with the same transponder specs. Ie I was just moving the dish looking for that freq/SR, since I didn't have that sat programmed. Also, they may have different programming during prime time.
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Old 07-25-2005, 10:46 PM
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Thank You All so much for the replies.

I've got to get thru the financial pains of buying a home first, but once that settles, I think I'll be purchasing a KU system.

I can live with the random nature of available channels when the number available seems higher than that of UHF/VHF and with a better picture. I don't watch a lot of TV but KU+UHF for Free should beat 100 DirecTV channels for ~$50 a month; theres never anything on anyways . . .

Now if I could find a free alternative to broadband DLS . . . #-o
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