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Old 05-21-2005, 06:01 PM
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Fortec Star 120cm 4ft dish review.

Originally posted at:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=69832

After owning my Winegard 76cm dish for a while I decided it's time for something with a little more gain, I'd commented in another thread at how the Fortec Star dishes sold by Sadoun may not be as solid as I'd liked, I felt I had to see for myself.

I ordered the Fortec Star 120cm (4') dish earlier this week, yesterday it arrived in a large, flat box via FedEx who took great care in shipping the dish to me.
The front and sides of the box had large red "Fragile" labels, just incase the FedEx guy didn't get the message the first five times.
I was surprised how quickly the dish arrived having only took 3 days to reach me from Sadoun (Our new sponsor)

The box was constructed of thick cardboard and sealed with thick staples with plastic straps for extra reinforcment.

Unpacking the dish I was pleasantly surprised at how it was wrapped, in addition to the cardboard there was a layer of bubble-wrap to protect the parabola from damage.

Inside the box there was another box of parts, nuts/bolts, LNB holder, U-bolts and the instruction sheet.
After taking the dish out of the box I lay it face down on the floor to check for true which I found to be exceptional - there was no warpage and no dents or scratches. The steel used for the reflector is 18 gauge and powder-coated for protection against the elements.

The rear brackets which hold the mount onto the reflector are constucted of a much heavier gauge steel which I found to be almost indestructible (As you'll see later).
Two cross-members bolt securely onto the rear of the reflector with a square section connecting the two together which is part of the mounting assembly, this adds rigidity to the reflector and provides a secure mount for the Az/El mount.

The mount itself is also constructed of the same heavy gauge steel as the cross-members and has the necessary markings for elevation as well as the holes for the provided U-bolts which hold the dish/mount onto a regular positioner or pole of up to 3 inches, in this case I used my trusty DMSI SG2100 which is rated for including, and up to a dish of this size.
My only caveat with the mount is the way the U-bolts slide into the mount holes - you'll need to physically separate the elevation/mount slightly to enable them to slide in, this was no bad thing as it demonstrated the sheer strength of the mount.
After noticing some people had problems with the elevation on some dishes not being able to adjust to a low angle I can safely say this mount will satisfy.
The range of adjustment on the mount is huge and I don't forsee anybody having a problem with low or high elevation settings whatsoever.

The pole mount on the dish can be affixed with the pole-stop pointing up or down as to give compatibility with practically every positioner system, in my case the SG2100s mount is pointing downward, it'll work perfectly with positioners with a mount that points up too, kudos to Fortec for that idea.

I took the Winegard off the SG2100 ready to be mounted onto another pole and lifted the Fortec into place, this isn't the lightest of dishes so I had to hold the dish up with one arm while I tightened the bolts with my other, the U-Bolts will fit masts of up to 3 inches in diameter and are constructed of hard steel and are more than adequate.

After making sure the dish was square to the positioner I assembled the LNB holder
Because the focal length of the dish is longer than a regular 76cm dish the holder has 2 lightweight steel support arms which bolt into place either side of the reflector and again at the end of the LNB arm, again - the bolts used are good quality and ensured a good fit for the whole assembly.
The LNB holder itself is by far the highest quality I've seen, it's made of very thick, moulded plastic which screws into the end of the arm, it also includes a 40mm to 23mm adapter which allows for use of an LNB with a narrow throat.

With everything in place and securely fastened I hooked the motor back up along with the LNB and swung my dish over to Galaxy10R. (The positioner was already set up from when I'd installed the Winegard so I didn't feel the need to adjust it just yet)
I thought the SG2100 may struggle with the weight of the Fortec 120cm however it seemed as fast as ever and didn't falter with the heavier load.

With my old dish the maximum I could get out of TheTube (G10R/11720/V/27692) is usually 32% Signal/100% quality (Fluctuating) on a good day, my neighbours trees slightly obscure my view of G10R especially when leaves are growing. When it starts raining I lose almost all of G10R.



Conclusion:

I anticipate no rainfade with this beauty.
Both the Invacom SNH-031 and the ASC321 LNBs were tested, both gave amazing results.
Without even tweaking the elevation or azimuth on the motor or dish I now have 75% Signal and a rock solid 100% Quality reading.
I'm pulling in transponders I thought were dead and can now receive feeds I wouldn't have even known about.
With proper alignment I know this dish will give me even higher figures - I never though I'd get anywhere near a 75% signal from TheTube.
The same goes for all the other satellites I can see, with a signal meter inline and using the SG2100s built-in manual east/west control, the meter would fly over past the maximum signal reading with every sat I hit.
Fantastic.

Overall I'm impressed, I honestly didn't expect the dish to be constructed as well as it is and I'm basically forced to eat my own words.

It may not be the cheapest dish you can buy, 90cm dishes are cheaper to ship however if you want something that'll pull in everything that's up there while still being smaller than a regular C-band dish, look no further.

For those wanting the ultimate in gain without having to find an unwieldy C-Band dish, the 120cm Fortec is perfect and in this case you certainly get what you pay for.
A larger dish such as this really is the way to go, combined with a decent LNB there's very little you'll miss and you'll definitely thank yourself for it.
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Very nice review. Thanks. :mozilla_laughing:
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C-Band with the 120cm dish.

I am pretty experienced with Ku, but not with C-Band. Is a 120cm dish adequate to receivee all of the C-Band ie: 3.0Ghz and Up?
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Old 05-24-2005, 06:26 AM
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I'm waiting on a C-Band LNB to test just that.
The gain figures on the 120cm dish are impressive on both Ku and C band so I imagine it'll work.

I'll update my review as soon as I'm done testing, hopefully this weekend I'll have some figures up.
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:10 AM
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The C-Band LNB arrived yesterday, after spending an hour scanning for satellites I'm amazed at how well this dish performs.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=70314
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Old 05-26-2005, 09:44 AM
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Could you post some pictures of your setup? Especially how you attached CBand lnb to the dish and how are you attaching ku lnb. Also what brand/model c-band lnb did you get?

This might increase Sadoun's sales on 120cm dishes
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Old 05-26-2005, 12:54 PM
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First I tested with the LNBF ziptied to the arm:

http://members.cox.net/cascade/cband.jpg

I made a few brackets so I could get closer to the focal point:

http://members.cox.net/cascade/cband2.jpg

My signal off AnikF1:

http://members.cox.net/cascade/cband3.bmp
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Old 05-26-2005, 01:14 PM
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That is very impressive. I wonder what kind of signal you could get with 100cm dish. I googled it and found people discussing how you can possibly get some signal with 90cm, but I would think that would be pushing it.

Thanks for the updates and keep them coming if you have any more.
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Old 05-27-2005, 08:49 AM
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I'm thinking this may be a permanent C-Band dish.
If I can find a good Ku/C-Band LNBF I'll be all set.

If you can find an inexpensive LNB for the 100cm it's worth the price alone to see what you can pick up, you'd probably surprise yourself

I'm reviewing the VisionPlus Satbox in the next day or two, so far I'm impressed.
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C/KuBand LNB recomendations? Inexpensive?

I have not found a C/Ku Band LNB that will fit on an offset dish (ie: Fortec 120cm) that is less than 80.00 USD.

Any ideas?

Sadoun does not seem to carry any C band LNBs, where do you find them?
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I've got news for you. Sadoun will be introducing a new "Prime Focus" C/KU band COMBO LNB. It is an integrated feedhorn, voltage controlled 13/18V C/KU band LNBF. We will be testing the LNBF soon before releasing it to the market. The LNBF will have two F outputs (one for KU and one for C-band). So you will have to use a 2-way DiSEqC switch.

I just thought to give you the heads up.
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Any news on this c/ku lnbf combo?

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It should be available soon.

I need a few Beta testers to test the LNBF before it is released to the market. If you have a C-Band dish or a 120CM+ offset motorized dish and interested in testing this LNBF, let me know here. You can also post links to your current setup.

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I just want to chime in with my experiments. I have only played with it for a day and for a cheap c-band solution this is great so far

Don't expect to get everything out there, but expect to get alot.

Signal is pretty good, but it depend alot on if there are any other c-band satelittes nearby that use approximately same frequncies.

Placing of the scalar ring is very crucial. Last night I was on AMC12 on the only mux there (http://www.lyngsat.com/amc12.html) and I was getting 55% signal quality (not bad, no breakups, except for expected breakups because of PAL conversion). This was with the ring pushed all the way back. This morning I had the ring off and results were somewhat similar. Tonight I moved the ring all the way to the very front edge of the lnbf and I am getting 74% signal quality.

So far so good
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VJ - discuss your setup in detail, dish, lnb used, receiver(s) used, switches, etc.
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I'll post some pictures soon hopefully. I have been juggling playing with this and work and I might get in trouble with work soon for slacking off on few deadlines (guess which one is more fun)

I have a Fortec 120cm dish on mounted on side of my house about 12-15 ft high). I am using sg2100 (which is struggling a little bit, but it works well enough. I am upgrading to HH120 though as it should be a little tougher with dish this size. I have ASC421 lnbf, but am looking forward to trying out c/ku lnbf when Sadoun gets them. ASC421 is works well right now. I only took out top part of the regular lnb holder on the dish, put c-band lnbf on it a secured it with 2 plastic ties and that's it.

I am using Fortec Ultra, Twinhan 1030a with TSReader and I have a turn knob analog receiver.

All analog stuff comes in no preblem. DVB stuff works decent too.. It can pull in quite a few transpondrs. Some are missed and I am guessing alot of it has to do with if there is another C satellite nearby.

My dish is aligned somewhat right, but I have to actually if I am on AMC12, I get the best signal if I go to 38.8 instead of 37.5 . Samo for Satmex for example. I have to go to 115.8 instead of 116.8 . This is most likely my issue since I think weigh of the dish might be leaing my pole slightly to left.

That's about it. I'll try to post few pictures later.
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