Trouble finding some channels

[stairs]

Perhaps someone can point out what I am doing wrong. I added an Ultra to my C-band system. With the C-band dish on G11 I did a power scan which found transponders consistent with the LyngSat chart. I then did a channel scan which found channels on some transponders, but not all of them. (I scanned 'all+D', which I take to be somewhat more than all of the channels?) Notably, there was no WB on transponder 1, 3720 H. I have quality greater than 80% on that transponder, and a TP Scan also found no channels. Clearly something is there, but the Ultra can't find it. I use WB as an example, but the same was true for FOX E and W, and others.
Has anyone received these channels? Is there a way to "force" them if they don't scan in? What does it mean when there is a good signal on the transponder but no identified channel? Also, am I correct that if the top entry on a transponder is Digicipher 2 that all of the other channels in that transponder are scrambled too? Can only be picked up with a subscription to some program? What about when the top entry is DVB and the lower channels are marked Power Vu?
Thanks for the help, the Ultra manual seems to assume much more knowledge a beginner would have.

[vj9999]

If top entry is digicipher II ultra will not recognize it at all.

Are you slaving Ultra to your existing system? If you are you, your master system controls the polarity. So if you are tuned to V transponder, you will only be able to tune into veritcal transponders on Ultra as well. I don't have C-Band, but this is how I understand it to work from reading discussions on here.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by stairs

Perhaps someone can point out what I am doing wrong. I added an Ultra to my C-band system. With the C-band dish on G11 I did a power scan which found transponders consistent with the LyngSat chart. I then did a channel scan which found channels on some transponders, but not all of them. (I scanned 'all+D', which I take to be somewhat more than all of the channels?)

I think that the "+D" refers to + data streams, but I'm not sure. If you scan with the "all" you should be OK.

Originally Posted by stairs

Notably, there was no WB on transponder 1, 3720 H. I have quality greater than 80% on that transponder, and a TP Scan also found no channels. Clearly something is there, but the Ultra can't find it. I use WB as an example, but the same was true for FOX E and W, and others.
Has anyone received these channels? Is there a way to "force" them if they don't scan in?

I only have a regular Lifetime, not the Ultra, but I think the WB thing is normal, in that most receivers don't pick up the PIDs from this transponder. You may have to manually put in the PIDs for that transponder.
I think you should have an "Advanced scan" option that will allow you to insert the PIDs that you find fro Lyngsat.

Originally Posted by stairs

What does it mean when there is a good signal on the transponder but no identified channel? Also, am I correct that if the top entry on a transponder is Digicipher 2 that all of the other channels in that transponder are scrambled too? Can only be picked up with a subscription to some program?

Not necessarily "scrambled" but Digicipher is a different format than the DVB format that your receiver receives. You need a DCII receiver for those signals. Most are scrambled, and may be subscription channels, and some are free. But you can't reveive them with a DVB receiver.

Originally Posted by stairs

What about when the top entry is DVB and the lower channels are marked Power Vu?

If the top entry is DVB, then you can lock on the signal, but you can only receive it if it is not encrypted. If they are transmitting in the Power Vu mode, encrypted, you can't receive it. It should still scan in as a channel though, I think, it's just that when you go to view that channel it will say something like 'bad or scrambled channel" or something like that.
I'm not sure about what Fox east/west you are referring to, but if it is the FX channels, then they are often encrypted, although they sometimes do go into free mode.

[stairs]

I only have a regular Lifetime, not the Ultra, but I think the WB thing is normal, in that most receivers don't pick up the PIDs from this transponder. You may have to manually put in the PIDs for that transponder.
I think you should have an "Advanced scan" option that will allow you to insert the PIDs that you find fro Lyngsat.

Thank you, I used the advanced scan with the PID's for video and audio and the WB channels locked in. What is the PCR? Is it on the Lyngsat charts? While I'm at it, anyone get AMC8?

[wejones]

Originally Posted by stairs

What is the PCR? Is it on the Lyngsat charts?

The PCR PID refers to which stream contains the program clock reference, which if I understand correctly is responsible for audio/video sync, and perhaps other things. Usually,this PID is the same as the video PID, meaning that the info is sent in that stream. Sometimes it is in a separate stream, but usually the receivers will figure that out. However if, like in the case of WB, the information that tells the receiver where this information is (I think it is in the PAT/PMT (program assocation table and Program map table), is missing, then you have to tell the receivers what streams have the video, audio and pcr data. If you have a PC card receiver, like the Twinhan, you can get the program TSREADER, which shows the different streams, and you can make a pretty good guess at what PID is video, and audio, and pcr data. But generally, the receiver will figure out those things by itself.