Ultra diseqc motor ositions?

[spyder]

Been fooling around with an Ultra I picked up at a good deal for about a week now. So far I'm fairly happy with. It was slaved to my Technomate at first, now I've erected a 1m with sg2100.

My question is: I notice in the diseqc 1.2 positioner setup menu it only offers position #27 through #49. This is only 22 positions and of course I need many more. Will it give me more position #'s as I fill up the ones offered or is this a limit of the Ultra receiver?

I tried operating under usals but that a no go.

Thanks for any help.

[starman]

Usals is a lot easier to use, the sg2100 will do it, the Ultra will need to be updated with the April 06/04 firmware update or it won't work properly. The SG2100 can take 60 sat positions. I could never figure out that 27-49 diseqc1.2 thing. The manual says 0-26 are defined default values, 27-49 are user defined. Does anyone know what it means by defined default values?

[DruzeTito]

Honestly I don't know either. I had to use Disc 1.2 because I have a circular offset LNB and I just memorized my first sat on number 27 then went on from there. I mean cmon is there is no need for more than 15 sats

[noxid]

Originally Posted by starman

The manual says 0-26 are defined default values, 27-49 are user defined. Does anyone know what it means by defined default values?

The SG2100 comes preprogramed with that many satellite positions - all unviewable from the US. I can't get my Ultra to work with the SG2100, so have it slaved to my ST-9900. It allows me to re-fill those first 27 positions, though I really don't need them. I think the SG2100 manual lists the birds that are pre-programmed.

[Anonymous]

I dont understand either.
The ultra manual says 0-26 predefined, How does that relate to what is
predefined in the motor. Does the ultra read the values stored in the
motors memory and that is what the ultra manual is talking about. Or
are there two completely different sets of predefined satellite positions.
One set being stored in the ultra and one set being stored in the motor.
If thats the case which set of positions does the Ultra use.
Dave In Belton, MO.

[noxid]

Originally Posted by lintond

I dont understand either.
The ultra manual says 0-26 predefined, How does that relate to what is
predefined in the motor. Does the ultra read the values stored in the
motors memory and that is what the ultra manual is talking about. Or
are there two completely different sets of predefined satellite positions.
One set being stored in the ultra and one set being stored in the motor.
If thats the case which set of positions does the Ultra use.
Dave In Belton, MO.

The receiver moves the motor to a specified position. You assign a number to that position (say 30). The mover stores that number with that position in its memory. Now to go to that position the receiver sends the memory number (30 in this example) to the mover and it moves to the position it stored for that number. The receiver only remembers the position number (30 in this example). The mover does not communicate with the receiver. The receiver sends commands to the mover.

If you have two receivers: after you have set the positions in the mover, you can then just put those position numbers into your other receiver and it will be able to move the dish to the proper positions. This is because it is just transmitting the command - goto position 30 or 35 or 40 etc.

Hope this helps
noxid

[Anonymous]

Thanks noxid

Makes alot of sense! The motor keeps track of its relative position
in reference to zero on its scale via an internal encoder. Once you store
a satellite position with a number say 40. The receiver sends the motor
that number 40 to be a reference for that relative position.

One more question please. The 0-26 predefined positions, are they
listed anywhere. The Ultra will only let you select 27-49.

[noxid]

Originally Posted by lintond

Thanks noxid

One more question please. The 0-26 predefined positions, are they
listed anywhere. The Ultra will only let you select 27-49.

They are listed in the manual.

I would give you a web site where you could download the manual, but my last response which included one, was deleted.

I guess someone's afraid of competition!? I don't see the manual available here, but do a search on google and you'll come up with one.

Sorry I can't save you the trouble. :roll:

noxid

[spyder]

Originally Posted by lintond

Thanks noxid


One more question please. The 0-26 predefined positions, are they
listed anywhere. The Ultra will only let you select 27-49.

That's what I'm trying to figure out If they're predefined then you should have access to them in one way or another. Somewhere in this mix either the receiver or the motor is not offering what it claims. The receiver states 50 positions, the motor states 60, I only have access to 22. Somewhere here something's just not ready for prime time. :roll:

The manual does list the 26 predefined sats, 6 of which I do have programmed in the receiver. But still only 22 positions.

[dtsexpert]

This issue is not from the h-h mount. The h-h mount only saves the position which instructed by the receiver. I have read the Lifetime manual 100 times to figure out how to use the "pre-defined" positions. Unfortunately, no instruction of how to use them...:-(
Do google and post questions on other forums as well. No one knows the answers. It's time to email Fortec tech seeking for help...:-)
Michael

Originally Posted by spyder

That's what I'm trying to figure out If they're predefined then you should have access to them in one way or another. Somewhere in this mix either the receiver or the motor is not offering what it claims. The receiver states 50 positions, the motor states 60, I only have access to 22. Somewhere here something's just not ready for prime time. :roll:

The manual does list the 26 predefined sats, 6 of which I do have programmed in the receiver. But still only 22 positions.

[starman]

Noxid, are you sure your not confusing the default satellite positions in the sg2100 motor with the defined default values I'm talking about in the receiver? There are no satellite positions listed in my Ultra manual, the default satellite positions are listed on the last page of the sg2100 motor manual. Its called the built-in sat table and there are 26 sat positions listed there, they are all European birds in my sg2100 manual.
I understand about setting a number for each sat position in the receiver software, and saving that number/position in the motor. What I'm unclear about is what are those defined default values 0-26 mentioned on page 18 of the Ultra manual? Could it be that they are indeed the same as those listed in the SG2100 built-in sat table? Does that mean that all motors come with those specific 26 european birds set as default? I doubt that.
If they are defined values how can you access them?
Dtsexpert.....I've been e-mailing fortecstar about Ultra problems for two months, don't bother, no-ones home...at least they don't answer mine.

[noxid]

Originally Posted by starman

Noxid, are you sure your not confusing the default satellite positions in the sg2100 motor with the defined default values I'm talking about in the receiver? There are no satellite positions listed in my Ultra manual, the default satellite positions are listed on the last page of the sg2100 motor manual. Its called the built-in sat table and there are 26 sat positions listed there, they are all European birds in my sg2100 manual.
I understand about setting a number for each sat position in the receiver software, and saving that number/position in the motor. What I'm unclear about is what are those defined default values 0-26 mentioned on page 18 of the Ultra manual? Could it be that they are indeed the same as those listed in the SG2100 built-in sat table? Does that mean that all motors come with those specific 26 european birds set as default? I doubt that.
If they are defined values how can you access them?

The default positions I'm talking about are in the SG2100. It appears you can't access them with the Ultra, although as I said I can with my ST9900. I have over-written them and they work fine. Don't know why the Ultra doesn't allow this.

noxid

[dtsexpert]

I guess we are not on the same page. Few members and I are trying to figure out how to access to the "pre-definded" diseqc 1.2 slots on Fortec Liftetime/Ultra. You are talking about the default settings on the SG2100.
Michael

Originally Posted by noxid

The default positions I'm talking about are in the SG2100. It appears you can't access them with the Ultra, although as I said I can with my ST9900. I have over-written them and they work fine. Don't know why the Ultra doesn't allow this.

noxid

[noxid]

Originally Posted by dtsexpert

I guess we are not on the same page. Few members and I are trying to figure out how to access to the "pre-definded" diseqc 1.2 slots on Fortec Liftetime/Ultra. You are talking about the default settings on the SG2100.
Michael

I believe we ARE talking about the same thing. There are no pre-defined "slots" in the Ultra. The "slots" are predefined in the SG2100, and the Ultra can't access them. I can access them with my ST9900, but then the Ultra couldn't move to the positions I store in slots 0-26 on the SG2100.

noxid

[spyder]

Originally Posted by noxid

I believe we ARE talking about the same thing. There are no pre-defined "slots" in the Ultra. The "slots" are predefined in the SG2100, and the Ultra can't access them. I can access them with my ST9900, but then the Ultra couldn't move to the positions I store in slots 0-26 on the SG2100.

noxid

So it looks like Fortec fell short on the usefulness of their firmware. The ultra is usefull for some things, but obviously not for a standalone system where you need full arc coverage.

[dtsexpert]

Unless you have the Fortec receiver, you will understand what we are trying to do here. There is no way to access to the pre-defined slots in Fortec setting menu, therefore they are "useless" to us. I don't know about the pre-defined positions on the SG2100, but one thing I can tell you is I am using more than 40 positions. The specs of SG2100 states that users can store up to 60 as I remember. If there are 26 pre-defined positions on the SG2100, I guess the mount will automatically erase some of them and replace with the new positions which users save????
Michael

Originally Posted by noxid

I believe we ARE talking about the same thing. There are no pre-defined "slots" in the Ultra. The "slots" are predefined in the SG2100, and the Ultra can't access them. I can access them with my ST9900, but then the Ultra couldn't move to the positions I store in slots 0-26 on the SG2100.

noxid

[noxid]

Originally Posted by dtsexpert

Unless you have the Fortec receiver, you will understand what we are trying to do here. There is no way to access to the pre-defined slots in Fortec setting menu, therefore they are "useless" to us.

I do have the Fortec Ultra, and I do understand. The Ultra can not access the first 27 'slots' on the SG2100. Other receivers can. I guess I'm not as disappointed as others, because I don't need that many positions. It would be nice to have this corrected though. Seems like it could be done fairly easily in software.

My problem seems to be that the SG2100 is very erratic with the Ultra. It won't always store the satellite positions and won't always follow the Ultra's commands. I do have the latest update.

noxid

[Anonymous]

Hi noxid

They say you need v2.29 firmware.
I had the same problem you describe, motor erratic and sometimes
works fine. It was my RG6 cable. Belden 1649 about 40 cents at foot
and sweep tested to 3Ghz. Went to Lowe's hardware store and bought
100ft of their RCA RG6 ($17) put gold connectors on it. Problem went away.
Go figure that one!

[noxid]

Originally Posted by lintond

Hi noxid

They say you need v2.29 firmware.
I had the same problem you describe, motor erratic and sometimes
works fine. It was my RG6 cable. Belden 1649 about 40 cents at foot
and sweep tested to 3Ghz. Went to Lowe's hardware store and bought
100ft of their RCA RG6 ($17) put gold connectors on it. Problem went away.
Go figure that one!

Thanks, maybe the old RG-6 does need to be replaced. I'll give it a try.

noxid