Fortec Star Dynamic, Galaxy 19

[mvr600]

Hi everybody! I'm in GA. my equipment is a universal lnb, 33" dish, and a fortec star dynamic receiver. My setup on the receiver is Galaxy25 KU 97W LNB= Universal LNB, Transponder=11874

I'm a new to FTA, and trying to get some Thai channels for my wife. Here is my problem, My friend program his birdog at my house to find G19, we connected the birdog to the dish and the receiver. We found the satellite with a QUALITY fluctuating from 45-53, I scanned the channels when the birdog was still attached to the dish and receiver, and I got the channels. I was actually able to watch the channels, after unplugging the birdog everything when out no signal no quality= no channels, we try about 3 times and every time we hook up the birdog to the system it would work and it would fail again. Now I'm assuming that if I get to view the channel that means I got the right Sat and TP, because when I call the people who sold me the entire package they said is not possible for me to loose the channels if I unplug the meter, so basically no help.
I try to describe as best I can. Thank you if you guys can help me

[bubby-joe]

Originally Posted by mvr600

Hi everybody! I'm in GA. my equipment is a universal lnb, 33" dish, and a fortec star dynamic receiver. My setup on the receiver is Galaxy25 KU 97W LNB= Universal LNB, Transponder=11874

I'm a new to FTA, and trying to get some Thai channels for my wife. Here is my problem, My friend program his birdog at my house to find G19, we connected the birdog to the dish and the receiver. We found the satellite with a QUALITY fluctuating from 45-53, I scanned the channels when the birdog was still attached to the dish and receiver, and I got the channels. I was actually able to watch the channels, after unplugging the birdog everything when out no signal no quality= no channels, we try about 3 times and every time we hook up the birdog to the system it would work and it would fail again. Now I'm assuming that if I get to view the channel that means I got the right Sat and TP, because when I call the people who sold me the entire package they said is not possible for me to loose the channels if I unplug the meter, so basically no help.
I try to describe as best I can. Thank you if you guys can help me

Your problem is probably in the antenna setup settings in the receiver, or the way you scanned the satellite for the channels. The universal setting uses a frequency of (10600) for low band ku as it's default and must be switched high band (10750) to see the frequency your looking for and your receiver set this way cannot see the proper satellite transponder frequency...For this a BLIND scan will help to switch the LNBF to scan both high and low band frequency ranges and bring back your channels.

I do not recomend a universal LNBF for someone new to setting up there equipment. Where the universal LNBF defaults to the low band (10600) there is almost no signals to lock onto over North America until after the scan process switches to the 10750 high range in the BLIND scan process, then it can see the transponder signals your after but not until the second part of the scan.

What happened is the birddog probably switched the LNBF to the high band (10750) to find the satellite before you scanned and when it's removed the receiver defaults to the low band (10600) and can't see what you've already scanned in on the (10750) range.

The people you called are right it's not possible to loose the channels unless your receiver settings are off...or switches not set right, usually something small. With the signal being that low (45-53) are you aiming toward or through some trees, the signal quality should be a quite a bit higher especially with a 33 inch dish. Do you have a clear view of the satellite from your location, no trees or buildings.

[mvr600]

Yes there is one tree right in front which I cut 75%, I guess I'm going to cut it down. I change the LNB type to LNB-10750 and nothing. I have use 2 different TP 11836 and 11874 which one is the right one? At some point I have had both of them two work in separate occasions. I really appreciate you helping me. Thank you I'm going to cut the tree and try again.

[William Eng]

If you were getting channels with the birddog, but not without the meter, then the problem is NOT with the trees. Do NOT cut the tree, its not their fault.

Your problem lies with the wrong settings on your receiver. You should do a blind scan using your receiver, it will do all the work for you. Sometimes, the TP freq are off by a few so that if you manually enter a specific freq, you will not receive anything, but the blind scan can overcome this problem.

[mvr600]

The main problem that I have is that once we unplug the birdog there is no quality at all is back to zero, so even when I'm doing a power scan there is no quality almost like there is no lock on the satellite. I will try to locate the Sat without the birdog.

[Vitruvius]

1st thing... do a 'powerscan' for Sat 97 with the correct settings for the LNB.
If that doesn't find you the correct transponders and frequencies then check your cables. It sounds like your cables may not have good connections.
Do you have a motorized dish?

[pmb1010]

make sure "LNB power" in the receiver is set to "on".

The birddog might be powering the LNBF and when disconnected - poof there goes your channels.

[mvr600]

I did the powerscan with the new settings for the lnb and nothing, and as far as the cables goes I think their good because when I tried 3 times with the birdog, it did worked just fine the three times. I also have a plug in with sound to see if the cable was putting power out to the lnb and when I put it on it did make the sound. I probably will try again tomorrow. I will let you know guys thank you I appreciate all the help.

[adibv5]

master reset the receiver

once is on start a new sattelite setting
if you have lnb standard put 10750 standard
then once entered make sure no switch yet disec
on the receiver antena settings make sure disec is off 22hz off all that is off

once you make your own sat in setting then save and go do blind scan. it will work.

maybe you forget to put the barrel from dish wire to the receiver were you use to plug in the birdog.

[bubby-joe]

Originally Posted by adibv5

master reset the receiver

once is on start a new sattelite setting
if you have lnb standard put 10750 standard
then once entered make sure no switch yet disec
on the receiver antena settings make sure disec is off 22hz off all that is off

once you make your own sat in setting then save and go do blind scan. it will work.

maybe you forget to put the barrel from dish wire to the receiver were you use to plug in the birdog.

This bit of information may not work with your universal LNBF. Try turning the 22khz on and see if there is signal quality, most universal LNBF's switch with a 22khz signal. If the signal quality comes in so will the picture...If this fails set the LNBF to universal and do a blind scan and let it finish, the blind scan finds all active transponders and looks at both bands of the universal LNBF. You may still have to prune or remove the tree but I'd find and fix the picture problem first then decide if the tree has to go or not.

[adibv5]

can you recall on your birdog the name that your using to find the sattelite?

is it KV galaxy 19, or KH UV UH

[bubby-joe]

Which satellite are you actually looking for in your first post you say G-25@97.0W then later G-19@97.0W with a transponder number of 11874. You state the birddog was set to find G-19 As it happens both G-19 and G-25 use that transponder frequency. The problem is that both do not reside at 97.0W, if your after a specific channel for your wife what is the name of that channel. Are you sure your even on the right satellite.

According to LYNGSAT:

G-25@93.1W uses 11874
G-19@97.0W also uses 11874

At 3.9 degrees apart and looking for 11874 frequency with the birddog you could have either one of them.

Has the birddog been updated with the latest satellite information.

Has your receiver been updated to get the latest satellite information or is it using outdated information.

G-19@97.0W has far more ethnic channels than G-25@93.1W

If your looking for G-25 why set the birddog to look for G-19 or are you really looking for G-19.

[mvr600]

Well as far as I know G25 was replace by G19 in late 2008, but in my fortec I only have a G25 Ku 97W, which is where G19 is, and the same issue with the birdog, in the website for the birdog is only showing KV G19, and that's why I'm looking for that bird. The whole point was that I did get the channels, but when I unplug the birdog it didn't work anymore. I'm about to go out there and try right now! I would let you guys know, (my friend w/the birdog is not here today) so wish me luck!

[mvr600]

Well finally I figure it out, its the cable, but is not. The cable don't work with the universal lnb, but with the standard works find. Then when I change the cable to standard instead of the HD cable it works, the only difference in the cables is that the HD is 3ghz and the other is 2.5ghz it makes no sense, but the hd cable works just find with my old standard lnb setup to 10750. When I change the cable and setup my lnb to universal an 10836 it works just find. Of course I'm still getting only 53% quality with the tree right in front of it. Well Thank you everybody for your input, I really appreciate all the answers.

[adibv5]

i doubts is the cable as long is rg6/ maybe was damaged.

[bubby-joe]

OK I see where the satellite number differences come from.

Where exactly in the menu are you putting the 10836 number to get it to work.

If the other RG-6 cable worked with the birddog it should work without it if the settings are right.

LNB= universal
LNB frequency = default
transponder=11874
22khz = auto
diseqc = off
motor = none

powerscan and what do you get.

I don't think changing to a RG-6 3.0ghz cable would make any difference.

[rainman]

As pmb1010 said in a few post back check to see that your lnb is turned on in your receiver go to menu then system setup then under others you should see the lnb power make sure it is set to on.

[mvr600]

Original LNB 1

LNB Type= LNB-10750
Positioner= Off
Transponder= 11836


My NEW LNB 2

LNB Type= Universal
Positioner= off
Transponder= 11836
22khz= On

Ok Today when I plugin my LNB 1 I use the setting 1 and it work right away quality=50-57, Then when I connect LNB 2 using the second setting nothing happen with the same cable.

Than I tried a different cable with LNB 2, and I got it with the same settings from above. I also tried my LNB1 with settings 1 and it work again. I put back the original cable and LNB1 worked fine, Than I replace again with LNB 2 and change the settings again and nothing, so by deduction has to be the cable?

I bought the LNB 2 because the front cover broke and I my box was at least 8 years old. I t just happen that today I decide it to try it with the new box, plus the people where I bought the box told me that it was better to buy a new UNIVERSAL LNB, that is why I have going to so many trouble. But it is Great because I'm learning so much and I'm happy with that.!!
I will replace the cable maybe tomorrow because the one that I tried was to short.
AGAIN Thamk U everybody.!

[Jim-S]

Hi MVR600............
I don't know all the equipment you have but here are some settings
Universal LNB setting is....UNI (9750,10600)
Standard LNB setting is....10750
Circular LNB is 11250
I see that you are trying to use 22khz setting...that is only used if you have a 22khz switch at the dish. If you don't have a switch it is the be in the "OFF" option.
If you don't have a motor the Positioner should be off...
I know you know this one, LNB power has to be on.

[mvr600]

Well you are right last night when I reply to the post I was at work and I was trying to remember and it is off. Today in the morning I swap the wire and is working great, the funny part is that I switch the wire from my direct tv wire to my fortec (FTA) and now both are working just find THANK YOU EVERYBODY!

[Jim-S]

Great glad to hear it...................I too know the feeling of DIY.
Congratulations...........

[rainman]

Congrats glad to here you got it going enjoy.

[adibv5]

out of curiosity does the Lyngsat frequencys match the ones on the receiver?


mine nothing matches they are all at least 10mhz off. some 500

[mvr600]

There is only 1 channel that the frequency does not match and that is
NEWS 1=12115-v 22426 the last number is 22425 everything else is find.

[adibv5]

seriously? must be my receiver then i do not understand why mine are all wrong. even my birdog will not lock on to the signal unless i program that same frequency into it interesting.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by adibv5

seriously? must be my receiver then i do not understand why mine are all wrong. even my birdog will not lock on to the signal unless i program that same frequency into it interesting.

it maybe freq drift of your lnbf they are not all created equal.

[adibv5]

and i always thought that the lyngsat had all the frequency wrong.

because the 121 superdish locks in with same lnb..so that shows same frequency as the one on lyngsat but the info from G19 they all wrong so makes no sense to me anyways i am a newb at this.