BUD problems

lewisc7 · #1 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 10:30 PM

My cousin recently purchased a Fortec Mercury receiver with a Diseqc position and a BSC621 C/Ku band LNB for his 10 wire mesh dish. We can only get 1 satellite in being Galaxy 10R C-band. We cannot get any Ku bands or any more C-bands. The satellite that does come in the signal will dance from 74 percent to 0 almost constantly. When hooking up the sat finder it beeps signals but nothing is there. We're having a very hard time figuring it out. I have the Fortec Lifetime with a motor and have no problem. What gives?

gremlin411 · #2 (**permalink**) 04-11-2008, 11:27 PM

you need to fined your southern most sat and set it up on it first. and use the KU band to fined the sat it is harder to fine then the C-band but when you find the KU-band the C-band will come in real good.

lewisc7 · #3 (**permalink**) 04-12-2008, 08:32 AM

In the antenna setup menu, we have the switch set at diseqc 1.2 with the c band set on port 1 the ku on port 2. Do we need to specify if it has a LNB 1 or LNB2 or LNB3, etc... We set the LNB type for c band to 5150 and ku band at 10750, are these correct? Whould the angle of the dish itself for the southern most would it be 40? He thinks over the years the dish has gotten out of wack. We can get pictures with his old receiver but it has a code that he never gotten and we can't reprogram transponders or satellite names on it. We just about need a step by step guide.

elgemcdlf · #4 (**permalink**) 04-12-2008, 11:18 AM

Ok let's start at the beginning. What are you using to move the dish? What is your longitude? Do you know which BSC lnbf you have? Standard or Universal on the Ku side? With the dish pointed at your true south sat (the sat located closest to your longitude) your lnbf should be set as the nose is flush with the scalar ring (starting point) and the square box of the lnbf at roughly 4:00 when looking at the dish from in front.

Hopefully someone will chime in with the link to aligning a prime focus dish. I do not know it off the top of my head. In any case this will get you started.

lewisc7 · #5 (**permalink**) 04-12-2008, 03:05 PM

Longitude is 82.0 w latitude is 39.9n. BSC621. I have hear dof signal reading problems with the mercury. The satellite works great on the old motorola. Would the classic na be a better choice? or the ultra? We're kind of stuck now with the Fortec brand so it's kind of limited because of where we bought it at.

elgemcdlf · #6 (**permalink**) 04-12-2008, 04:44 PM

The satellite works great on the old motorola???????? Are you saying you if you only change the receiver to a Ku capable receiver everything is fine?

lewisc7 · #7 (**permalink**) 04-13-2008, 08:35 AM

OK from what he was told by the old satellite dealer he did business with the Motorola was suppose to operate on C and Ku. On the front there is indicators for C or Ku. He could only get C band on it and the ones he gets now on that are scrambled channels, but only a very few (espn, weather channel, cspan is about all I can remember.) He did get I believe the Good Shepard Channel on it and QVC, shopnbc and HSN. When I looked up what satellites those where broadcasted off of, the new Fortec would not get them. No matter where I went for satellites or transponder I got no signal. We did get galaxy 10r c-band, but could not get galaxy 10r ku-band and we even adjusted the dish alittle more east or west to try and catch something, not even a hint of signal.

elgemcdlf · #8 (**permalink**) 04-14-2008, 04:40 PM

Ok so you only have C Band operational. Not knowing what type of Motorola receiver we are talking about now the configuration of said receiver that is little help. So let's start with the dish. Is it a mesh dish? If so you need to take a shaprened pencil with you out to the dish and see if the lead of the pencil will pass through the hole. If so it is a very old dish and is not capable of Ku. If not at least we know the dish is usable for both bands.

Next you will not receive the channels on the fortec you received on the Motorola receiver.

ronpar · #9 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 05:03 AM

you need to check and see if your ku and cband is hooked up in the rigt place on lnb and your recevior.

ronpar · #10 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 05:04 AM

plese help me! i can pickup 4dtv channels but i can't pickup no free to air and i have looked every were on the web for help. people should have gave a manul with this.everybody i tall to keeps giving me the same answers, but they dont help.and yes i got the 1 that go's with the 4dtv the # 1 not the # 2. lets say im on sat. 10r what do i do to get the fta channels in do i us genrics or reg channels? also people keep saying ku 10750 and c-band 5150 what do's it mean? this thing is driving me crazy. i have a 4dtv 920 and not a 922 do i have to have a922 also alot of the free to air channels have the same frequency so what channels do i pick them up on? for any one who has a anwser please help me before i take that lnb and throw it as for as i can.i would return it but they would only send me another peace of crap. thanks randall

elgemcdlf · #11 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ronpar

plese help me! i can pickup 4dtv channels but i can't pickup no free to air and i have looked every were on the web for help. people should have gave a manul with this.everybody i tall to keeps giving me the same answers, but they dont help.and yes i got the 1 that go's with the 4dtv the # 1 not the # 2. lets say im on sat. 10r what do i do to get the fta channels in do i us genrics or reg channels? also people keep saying ku 10750 and c-band 5150 what do's it mean? this thing is driving me crazy. i have a 4dtv 920 and not a 922 do i have to have a922 also alot of the free to air channels have the same frequency so what channels do i pick them up on? for any one who has a anwser please help me before i take that lnb and throw it as for as i can.i would return it but they would only send me another peace of crap. thanks randall

What are you talking about? DVB MPEG2 FTA? If so the DSR receiver will not get them. While it is a MPEG receiver it is not DVB. Are you talking about the channels in the clear for 4DTV? #1, #2??????????? 10750 and 5150 are the LO settings you would use in a DVB MPEG2 receiver for a standard Ku & C Band lnbf / lnb respectively.

If you are attempting to receive DVB MPEG2 FTA channels you will need a DVB MPEG2 receiver. Slave that receiver off of the 4DTV receiver. Sadoun sells the receivers and slave kits.

BTW maybe they didn't send you a "peace of crap".

ronpar · #12 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 06:52 PM

ok in the ads 4 the bsc621 for 4dtv it says that you can get fta channels with the 4dtv and the bsc621 it do's not say that you have to have a mpeg recevior so whats up with that it says plannly you can pick up fta with this bsc621 on your 4dtv there ought to be a law against people who sells these lnbfs and tell you all you need is a 4dtv with this lnbf to pick up fta namely sadoun

elgemcdlf · #13 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ronpar

ok in the ads 4 the bsc621 for 4dtv it says that you can get fta channels with the 4dtv and the bsc621 it do's not say that you have to have a mpeg recevior so whats up with that it says plannly you can pick up fta with this bsc621 on your 4dtv there ought to be a law against people who sells these lnbfs and tell you all you need is a 4dtv with this lnbf to pick up fta namely sadoun

I think you need to slow down a bit. Do you know what FTA stands for? Free To Air this means any channel in the clear so IF you have properly set up the receiver AND your dish is capable of doing Ku AND you have it properly aligned AND you have it properly connected you will receive channels that are in the clear along with channels you have subs to that the DSR receiver is capable of receiving. Just as the DSR will not do DVB a DVB receiver will not get the channels that are not DVB.

Maybe just maybe you should spend a little more time learning what you are talking about before casting stones at those that do. There are many people here more than happy to help you resolve whatever issue you are having BUT YOU have to listen. I do not know if you can use a BSC lnbf with a DSR receiver. I have found my BSC lnbf requires I use a specific port on the DiSEqC (external) to open up passage of data flow. I do know you MUST run separate lines for both C and Ku from the lnbf to the receiver so if you are using a jumper and trying to use only one line that is a beginning to your problems.

BTW I went to Sadoun's site and nowhere did I find that you can use the BSC lnbf with a DSR receiver to receive FTA channels. As a matter of fact I did not find anywhere that even mentioned a 4DTV receiver when talking about the BSC lnbf's. Perhaps you can supply the link to this material you speak of.

ronpar · #14 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 08:48 PM

go to ebay type in 4dtv the first bsc621 is the one i am talking about i am sorry for slamming sadoun but after seeing this on ebay and other sites listing a whole bunch free to air channels for this product again im sorry. but answer me this what good is the plate if you cant get free to air with it on the 4dtv please read the ad on ebay also what mpeg recveior whould you recomend will a dish network work thanks again

elgemcdlf · #15 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 10:23 PM

A DN receiver will not work to my knowledge. Sadoun probably has the best prices for the level of receiver he is selling out there. I have bought from him and other dealers. The plate is for receiving circular beams. Most are linear but there are a few sats over the Atlantic that are circular. 40.5 is one of them which is why I use a BSC lnbf on one of my dishes. I will look into the EBay thing. So if you are not planning on trying to receive anything circular the plate is of no use to you. Without the plate it does linear which is what your 4DTV wants along with most FTA.

DN is circular but is scrambled so of no value there. Just for the record if you check my signature you will see I have a 4DTV receiver and a BSC lnbf but they are not connected to each other. You may possible be able to do it by reverse slaving through a DVB MPEG2 receiver first.

EDIT:
I went to Ebay and you are correct. I think the bulk of the problem is lack of knowledge (sorry but I do think that) and we have all been there. I do not know how to setup the receiver to utilize the lnbf. My BSC is the -2 version which uses a DiSEqC switch. You will still need to run separate lines to the receiver from each port on the lnbf. Do you have it connected that way? You will not be able to use the jumper that came with the lnbf to combine the feeds into a single line.

I will be home later and check through settings in my receiver. Perhaps I can find where to change yours and let you know tomorrow. Have you checked the mesh in the dish yet?

ronpar · #16 (**permalink**) 04-16-2008, 10:32 PM

thanks alot

ronpar · #17 (**permalink**) 04-17-2008, 02:15 AM

so you can pick up fta on my 4dtv do i have to leave the plate in there if i do then i loose half my quality strength all i know its been a pain in the butt a thank you for your time i placed a bid on ebay for a coolsat 5000 platinum fta i hope i can get this thing to work so i can cancel my bid on ebay.