Manual PID Entry Available on Fortec 786v3

[paults2]

The Fortec 786v3 allows manual PID entry.

In the "Channel Search' menu, the 'Search Mode' option has to be set to 'Manual All' or 'Manual FTA'. Use the VOL up/down buttons in the Search Mode box to select one of these two manual modes.

Then go to the 'TP Data' box and push OK to get the submenu. Select a TP. The PID boxes appear on the right side of the screen. The PIDs can be entered manually in the boxes.

[dtsexpert]

We have discussed this before. This approach does not work although it seems to...:-)
The receiver simply does not save the Pids even you force it to save.
The only way you can manually key Pids is to use the Edit software.
Michael

Originally Posted by paults2

The Fortec 786v3 allows manual PID entry.

In the "Channel Search' menu, the 'Search Mode' option has to be set to 'Manual All' or 'Manual FTA'. Use the VOL up/down buttons in the Search Mode box to select one of these two manual modes.

Then go to the 'TP Data' box and push OK to get the submenu. Select a TP. The PID boxes appear on the right side of the screen. The PIDs can be entered manually in the boxes.

[paults2]

Originally Posted by dtsexpert

We have discussed this before. This approach does not work although it seems to...:-)
The receiver simply does not save the Pids even you force it to save.
The only way you can manually key Pids is to use the Edit software.
Michael

This is not quite true. The manual PID entry for the Fortec 786v3 is functional. I used it to find the following channel that the receiver could not find on its own:

MBC
Telstar 5
f=11874
pol=H
sym=22000
VPID=1560
APID=1520
PCR PID=1560

I searched for this channel twice and the receiver could not find it on its own. I then entered the PIDS using the remote and on-screen menu, searched again, and the receiver found the channel.

Using the remote to manually entered PIDs does not forcefully add a channel to the list. The only way I've found to do this is by using the computer interface.

However, being able to manually enter PIDs with the remote is useful, as the computer interface is not needed to find a channel.

I found another channel this way a couple weeks ago that the receiver couldn't find on its own, but I can't remember which one.

Paul

[paults2]

In my previous post, when I say 'forcefully add a channel to the list' I mean a channel getting added to the list regardless of whether or not a channel signal is present. The only way I have found to force-add a channel to the list on the Fortec 786v3 is by using the computer interface.

However, the 786v3 will add a channel to the list if the PID is manually entered with the remote and if the channel signal is present.

Paul

[paults2]

Originally Posted by paults2

Paul

[dtsexpert]

1. The channel you mentioned does not require manual PIDs at all.
2. The approach you mentioned only allows users to add the new transponders, not the Pids.
I guess that you first try to use the pre-programed transponder to find the MBC, right? Perhaps its freq or SR is off a little bit, therefore you could not get the MBC in.
Then using this approach, you created a new TP with correct freq, pol, SR, so you could get the MBC in.
If the receiver allows user to key Pids manually, it should:
Allowing user to define the channels name, freq, pol, sr, fec, pids without scaning anything.

I still don't see how one can do that using the remote control.
Please don't feel offended, I just want every thing is clear here to avoid any misunderstanding for other Fortect users.
Regards,
Michael

Originally Posted by paults2

This is not quite true. The manual PID entry for the Fortec 786v3 is functional. I used it to find the following channel that the receiver could not find on its own:

MBC
Telstar 5
f=11874
pol=H
sym=22000
VPID=1560
APID=1520
PCR PID=1560

I searched for this channel twice and the receiver could not find it on its own. I then entered the PIDS using the remote and on-screen menu, searched again, and the receiver found the channel.

Using the remote to manually entered PIDs does not forcefully add a channel to the list. The only way I've found to do this is by using the computer interface.

However, being able to manually enter PIDs with the remote is useful, as the computer interface is not needed to find a channel.

I found another channel this way a couple weeks ago that the receiver couldn't find on its own, but I can't remember which one.

Paul

[paults2]

[quote="dtsexpert"]

The approach you mentioned only allows users to add the new transponders, not the Pids.

I guess that you first try to use the pre-programed transponder to find the MBC, right? Perhaps its freq or SR is off a little bit, therefore you could not get the MBC in.
Then using this approach, you created a new TP with correct freq, pol, SR, so you could get the MBC in.
If the receiver allows user to key Pids manually, it should:
Allowing user to define the channels name, freq, pol, sr, fec, pids without scaning anything.
[quote]

The approach allows one to add PIDs to an existing TP if the menu is in the manual FTA search option.

I did not enter a new symbol rate to find MBC. I only added the PIDs manually to an existing TP using the remote and in the manual search menu. The existing TP found all channels on the TP except MBC. When I added the PIDs manually with the remote, it then found MBC.

As you mentioned, it's not possible to define a channel using the remote on the 786v3 and have it added to the list without scanning and having a signal present. I can only do this with the computer interface. This is what I referred to previously as force-adding a channel to the list.

However, the manual PID entry using the remote appears to be functional on the 786v3 when a signal is present and scanned.

One could try this manual approach with a number of known signals where PIDs are not transmitted and see if the 786v3 is able to find the channel with the PIDs entered manually using the remote and not find it without the PIDs. It has worked at least twice for me.

I am posting this so that others will be able to do this without the need for the computer interface. If what I mentioned is not correct, it must be a coincidence, and I would correct this in a later post. I believe it to be correct, though.

Maybe others can post about this. I contacted Fortec, but they never replied to my email. I think they didn't understand the subtlety of what I was referring to.


Paul

[dtsexpert]

I am trying t argue with you, just want to make everything clear here.
Adding new TP is different than Pids. Would you show us the submenu where you can add Pids?
Transponder info: freq, pol, SR, and FEC
There might be one for multiple channels on 1 transponder. Each channel has its uniqe audio Pid, video Pids, and PCR.
I am glad the you found a way to find channels you want, but again, Fortec does not allow to key Pids manually.
Regards
Michael

[paults2]

Originally Posted by dtsexpert

Would you show us the submenu where you can add Pids?

That was my first post.

In the "Channel Search' menu, the 'Search Mode' option has to be set to 'Manual All' or 'Manual FTA'. Use the VOL up/down buttons in the Search Mode box to select one of these two manual modes.

Then go to the 'TP Data' box and push OK to get the submenu. Select a TP. The PID boxes appear on the right side of the screen. The PIDs can be entered manually in the boxes.

What I am doing is entering a PID manually using the remote for a particular TP. Then I do a search. The receiver is able to find some channels that I could not otherwise find without doing this. This is not quite the same as defining a PID for a particular channel but rather for a particular TP and then following with a search.

Paul

[hugh]

Yes,I've figured out that on the 786v3 you can manually enter different pid's to find transponders as well as channels. I've discovered that you can't always depend on accurate freqency and s/r info. that your receiver may show on the channel search menu or even any info from www.lyngsat.com.
sometimes you need to manually change frequency numbers gradually up or down until you get the green signal.
dont be afraid to try different s/r numbers as well if the picture appears weak.
good luck :lol: