Trying to understand the info in LyngSat for FTA

[regisma]

Hi,

I'm new to FTA.

I was checking the LyngSat website for few satellites and this question came up.

If you look at EchoStar 3 at 61.5°W at URL: http://www.lyngsat.com/echo3.html

You will notice that the entry is in pink so digitally encrypted but I see those Video encryption all togheter : DVB 8PSK Nagravision 2

So does that mean DVB + 8PSK + Nagravision 2
or it mean
DVB or 8psk or Nagravision 2?

so this satellite can it be viewed with FTA equipments?

thanks

Regis

[vj9999]

If it has Nagravision 1 or 2 in the entry than it is encrypted and it can only be viewed using Dish Network authorized equipment and a valid subscription.

[regisma]

Hi,

Thanks you for the reply.

I have other questions regarding the LyngSat info.

I'm in Canada, Montreal.

If I look at the info of Amos 1 at 4.0°W

at URL: http://www.lyngsat.com/amos1.html

I see the letters:

A - Will link you to the address of the cie that broadcast this channel
F - Meand FREE TV or Free Radio
P - Will link you to a link to a Package
N - Will link you to a Net TV
T - Means that this channel support Teletext
U - Link you the Uplink Station

The Beam column info have Europe and Middle East, does that mean that If I can align my dish to this satellite I cannot see the channels in this satellite?

DVB - there are entries without F but have DVB does that mean I can see also those channels or I can just see the one with a F only?

There is a table at the bottom : TV Analog / Digital (Clear / Encrypted)
What those numbers means?

Finally, What does (Feeds) grey channels means?

Many thanks

Regis

[Kanakanak]

Amos satellite is not visible from Montréal and even so, no beam is pointed to North America, nothing to catch from this bird here. I'm from Quebec City.
In Lyngsat lists you can only watch the channels with a F (white) with a DVB receiver.
At the bottom of the lyngsat pages: digital means Dvb, in this case 24 DVB channels are fta and 80 encrypted. But be cautious with tese numbers, in certain cases they counts C-Band FTA channels too.

TV clear enc.
analog 1 0
digital 24 80

[Kanakanak]

Feeds are some programming that could be on the air anytime but not 24/24. You could see live sports feeds, or news feeds for examples.

[regisma]

Hi,

Ok thanks for these essentials informations!

So If I can see the satellite it have the right elevation, the right direction and the satellite have a beam in the North America,
I need to be sure to see an F in the channel list and

a DVB alone does not mean that I can see the channel, right?

thanks

Regis

[Kanakanak]

Yes. Whites ones only and F absolutly...!
You also need to have, in the left column, a frequency with 5 digits (ex: 12177) if you only want ku-band (small dish).
The channels in the four digits frequency can only be received by big dishes in C-Band.

[dtsexpert]

One thing needs to be clarified. Digital does not stand for DVB only, it can be other format as well, such as DSS, DC1, DC2, PowerVu....
Michael

Originally Posted by Kanakanak

Amos satellite is not visible from Montréal and even so, no beam is pointed to North America, nothing to catch from this bird here. I'm from Quebec City.
In Lyngsat lists you can only watch the channels with a F (white) with a DVB receiver.
At the bottom of the lyngsat pages: digital means Dvb, in this case 24 DVB channels are fta and 80 encrypted. But be cautious with tese numbers, in certain cases they counts C-Band FTA channels too.

TV clear enc.
analog 1 0
digital 24 80

[lpgao939]

Is there a place to explain how to understand the info in LyngSat for FTA
? Or what the meanings for each col when I use it to setup my receiver?

[aegrotatio]

Umm, the voting choices don't match the question, I think you have it backwards?

[rainman]

Originally Posted by lpgao939

Is there a place to explain how to understand the info in LyngSat for FTA
? Or what the meanings for each col when I use it to setup my receiver?

try this page: http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Installati...uick-Guide.htm

[IdahoVideo]

the Echostar 61.5 satellite is a dish network satellite... so it can not be received with standard FTA hardware.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by IdahoVideo

the Echostar 61.5 satellite is a dish network satellite... so it can not be received with standard FTA hardware.

what does echostar 61.5 have to do with this post?

[elgemcdlf]

Not a thing but he is correct

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Not a thing but he is correct

Boy, you dug up an old post to reply to. :-)
Anyway, he's correct about it being Dishnet, but not quite correct to say that you can't receive it with standard fta hardware. I used the FTA channels on this sat on a couple occasions to figure out where my dish was aiming, particularly when I was playing with that home-made lnbf holder that was offset so much it wasn't clear where I was aimed.
Anyway, standard FTA hardware WILL receive signals on this sat. Sure, much of it is encrypted, but not everything. Sure, it is CP, but LP feeds will receive many of the transponders, albeit with loss of signal strength. One doesn't say that standard hardware won't work on say AMC3 just because there are some scrambled channels on it.

[elgemcdlf]

This thread popped up when I hit new posts. Did not even look at the date Might have a slight issue to work on in the search area of the forum I personally have never got anything from 61.5 FTA.

[rainman]

there is one or two channels in the clear on 61.5.

[satnutwillb]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

This thread popped up when I hit new posts. Did not even look at the date Might have a slight issue to work on in the search area of the forum I personally have never got anything from 61.5 FTA.

I've had old posts show up after clicking on new posts many times also.Some of the same ones show up alot.

[glen4cindy]

I'm looking at the top of the grids and am wondering what the following abbreviations mean:

SR-FEC, SID-VPID, NID-TID

I am guessing that SR is symbol rate, and I've seen PID but not VPID.

Thanks

[satnutwillb]

Your're right,SR is symbol rate.VPID is for the video,APID is for audio pid and I think the PCR is the 3rd pid and most of the time is the same as VPID.FEC is for forward error correction such as 3/4,1/2,7/8 and numbers like that.SID,NID,and TID,well I really don't know.Hope this helps some.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by satnutwillb

I've had old posts show up after clicking on new posts many times also.Some of the same ones show up alot.

most the times these threads have polls when ever someone votes on them they pop up again.

[glen4cindy]

TP 7-3840-V

I know this is a C-Band frequency, but, this block shows several Starz/Encore as F with the color code for FTA, but, the first line shows Starz Encore, Digicipher 2, with SR-19510.

Are all the rest of the lines that are shown to be FTA ***REALLY*** FTA or are they actually encrypted with Digicipher 2?

Thanks!

[rainman]

when they show digicipher II it will be the whole mux untill it goes back to DVB.I always check for the DVB in this coloum and that tells you the channel is DVB.

[glen4cindy]

Originally Posted by rainman

when they show digicipher II it will be the whole mux untill it goes back to DVB.I always check for the DVB in this coloum and that tells you the channel is DVB.

So, then, the count of "free" channels shown at the bottom of the whole grid is not correct, and Lyngsat's information is not really correct for this block of channels. Whould that be a correct statement? I thought Lyngsat was one of the most reliable sources available.

[rainman]

DCII channels are digital also so the free channel count would be correct just because we don't have the equipment to receive them don't mean they are not there just that we can't receive these channels.

[glen4cindy]

Originally Posted by rainman

DCII channels are digital also so the free channel count would be correct just because we don't have the equipment to receive them don't mean they are not there just that we can't receive these channels.

Is that to mean that someone with a DCII decoder/set-top-box would be able to view these channels as FTA? I would think that they would not be free being "premium".

I just want to learn to understand what I am reading. SatcoDX does not show the whole mux, but only the top line of what Lyngsat shows, and it does in fact show it as encrypted.

[rainman]

Originally Posted by glen4cindy

Is that to mean that someone with a DCII decoder/set-top-box would be able to view these channels as FTA? I would think that they would not be free being "premium".

I just want to learn to understand what I am reading. SatcoDX does not show the whole mux, but only the top line of what Lyngsat shows, and it does in fact show it as encrypted.

if it is a authorized receiver you should be able to get the FTA that is listed. most of the info on lyngsat is sent in by FTA guys like us from all over the world. so info is not always up to date just at the time the info was up dated.

[elgemcdlf]

All premium movie channels are subs (encrypted) except the MPEG4 feeds on 148. I can not verify they are in the clear as I do not have a MPEG4 receiver. All of teh movie channels have free preview times from time to time in hopes of enticing those of us with the equipment to view these previews to sub.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by glen4cindy

TP 7-3840-V

I know this is a C-Band frequency, but, this block shows several Starz/Encore as F with the color code for FTA, but, the first line shows Starz Encore, Digicipher 2, with SR-19510.

Are all the rest of the lines that are shown to be FTA ***REALLY*** FTA or are they actually encrypted with Digicipher 2?

Thanks!

I know I'm coming in a bit late on this, and other people have answered 99% or the question, however, I want to emphasise the the "F" designation on Lyngsat doesn't imply FTA. It implies "FREE", however as I've tried to suggest in other posts, FREE means different things, and doesn't imply that you can get it with just any receiver. As Rainman was getting at, if it says Digicipher or DCII, the MUX cannot be locked with a DVB receiver. THis isn NOT the same as a MUX like the 3800 mux just above, which is a Powervu encryption thing were some channels occasionally go free so that you can view them. THe Powervu things are really sent in a DVB type format, and are encrypted, so they can go back and forth, however Digicipher muxes cannot go unencrypted to being a FTA (DVB) signal, it can only go to a ZK or FP mode, which is still a Digicipher mode, not a DVB mode.

Basically, there are several common terms that hobbiests use for "Free" channels.

ANALOG

Channels are completely unscrambled are called ITC (In The Clear).
VCII channels that are "free" to people with VCII receivers are often called "Fixed Key", although there are different types of this, such as free for everyone, free for Canadians only, free for US people only, barker channels that are free for a while then get a slate, and timed channels that are free for a while then completely go black..... and probably a couple other categories.

DIGITAL

Digicipher
Free Digicipher channels are called ZK (zero Key) or FP (Fixed Process). ZK channels should be available to any receiver that can tune the Freq/SR. FP are really scrambled, but with a fixed key, similar to the VCII fixed key status, meaning that if you have a digicipher receiver, these channels may or may not be available on different receivers, depending on their authorization status, past or present.

DVB
Free DVB channels are the FTA (Free to Air) channels we're used to here, and you usually recognize these because the MUX will usually indicate DVB at the top of the mux, or, if it doesn't say Digicipher, it's probably DVB.
I think Steve has posted that there are some channels that are similar to the digicipher FP, in that thery are scrambled with fixed key so that if you have a receiver capable of subscribing to certain types of encryption, that they might be free to those receivers, but I've never heard of a specific example of this.

In any event, there are many types of "FREE" channels, and any one receiver can NOT get all these different types.

[rainman]

very nice explanation Bill.