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Old 12-30-2004, 02:35 PM
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satellite/Clarke Belt - Just where in the sky are they?

I'm very new to FTA and waiting for some equipment to be delivered. I'm also very new to satellites. As I understand it, there is a string of stationary satellites accross the equator. What that means to me, being located in northern calif, is that there is a string of satellites, stationary along the equator, and that most of the time my dish would be pointed south, and panned from east to west to pick them up.
My question is pretty stupid. Are there stationary satellites in other orbits?
Like stationary across the north america?
Basically what I'm getting at is this - with an appropiate motor, will it track all satellites, N.S.W.E. and directly overhead if such exists?
Thanks for your time and input.
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Maybe this will help you visualize exactly what it looks like.

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/...980031_001.pdf

You can receive all satellites that are above the horizon for you. Also satellites have to have beams pointing to North America. When you set up your dish, you will set it up to point to you true south satellite (G10R at 123W most likely for you). Then you will use your motor to move it as far east and as far west you can go (although there is not much more west that is visible from North America). The motor will take care of elevation (adjusting the dish up down), azimuth (moving the dish east west) and skew.

Good source of information is http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html . You are interested in satellites that have Ku band frequencies. These frequencies will be listed as 11000 MHz +. The ones with four digits are C Band and require a big dish.

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Old 12-30-2004, 05:55 PM
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Satellites and where they are in the sky

Ok - thanks for input. So the satellite belt is south, spread east and west across the equator. So makes it a little easier to understand. The link was way beyond my ability to understand. I have to believe thatt here are many stationary sats right above you and me. but that is not a sat belt.
So you find them (some I can see on a clear nite but moving) by letting the equipment do the job, after you have set up everything and get it working. The freq of the sat determine the channels you can skan.
I assume that there are satellites that are in sync orbit that you could look up at and see on a clear nite, kinda like a star. True?
Thanks for you input.
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Like you said in the original post. They are all directly above the equator. Each satelitte has its own orbital slot. Satellites visibli in North America will be the ones from approximatelly from 50 degrees W to 150 degrees west. Satellites are "stationary" in the sense that they are always in the same location in the sky.

Whn we talk about communication satellites, we talk about satellite in geastationary orbit and "clarke belt". It is about 22,2240 miles up in the sky and everythink there moves in the same direction and in the same period as earth. Because of that they always are at the same location in the sky.

Maybe you can see them sometimes but they are very small. They won't apear to be moving to you. If you set your dish to point to 97W (Intelsat Americas 5), that's all that is to it. 97W will always be at 97W an you want have to move your dish or anything else just to eep up with the satellite since it is always at the same location. You only use your motor if you want to move to a different satellite.

Motors like Sadoun sells track the clarke belt in the sense that once you have it set up, it will be able to move to any satellite along the arc (clarke belt looks like an arc).
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PAS-8

Hi Mac,
When you get your gear up If you happen to get a lock on PAS-8 let us know. http://www.panamsat.com/global_network/pas8_ku.asp
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Here is another good link:
http://science.nasa.gov/Realtime/JTr.../JTrack3D.html

this shows EVERYTHING up there (well everything youre allowed to know about), and the Clarke Belt is fairly well defined by the sheer number of objects in it. That arc, 22,000 miles out, is the only area where a satellite can sit stationary relative to the earth. so there are no other orbital planes in which a satellite can be directly overhead and appear to stay there.
The satellites in the Clarke Belt are not visible. Too far away. What you do see at night are low earth orbiting satallites (GPS, Iridium, recon., ISS) and space junk, and those are always in motion relative to someone on the ground.
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It all makes sense now

Thanks for all of your time and input. I think I've got the picture now.
I'll let you all know how I make out with the new gear.
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