New Finds Club Forum new rules

[Admin]

The New Finds Club Forum is private group. You don't have to have a BLIND SEARCH receiver to join, but if you have one it is certainly an advantage. Here you can list or view new FTA radio or TV channels discovered while searching the internet or scanning the satellites.

To join the New Finds Club Forum, users will have to request membership to this group from their User CP (you will find it under Miscellaneous > Group Membership ). Join requests are queued up in the Usergroup Manager where the admin will handle them. Please allow up to 7 days for your request to be acted on.

To qualify for membership, you have to be

• a member in good standing with no infractions or violations of forum rules
• Good track record of posting to the forums with a minimum of 10 posts.
• You will have to agree that new finds posted in the forum can not be shared outside of this private forum or any other public forum.
• only New Finds Club Forum approved members will be able to view threads and posts in this special forum

These rules maybe changed from time to time without any prior notice.

[rainman]

thanks admin. these are rules i beleive we've needed for new finds. exspeicaly when spam shows up there like last week.

[wejones]

This is a good move. Perhaps this will satisfy criticism from those on other forums. Basically, the harder it is to view posts from the outside, the more people who will feel comfortable posting here. I know of people who logged onto the forum, went to New Finds, and were able to view posts, so they concluded that it wasn't a safe place to post finds. But if posting on the other forums is a prerequisite to viewing New Finds, then I think this is a very good way to limit membership.

One question though. I just looked, and I see that I can still see, and get into the New Finds section. Does that mean that those who have been posting there are already members, or have all current forum members been added as members, or has the old membership list, back when membership used to be restricted in a similar way, been resurected?
Or..... hasn't the new structure started yet, and everyone will have to RE-JOIN???
Just curious.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by wejones

One question though. I just looked, and I see that I can still see, and get into the New Finds section. Does that mean that those who have been posting there are already members, .

Yes, only members of the New Finds Club will be able to view now.

Originally Posted by wejones

or have all current forum members been added as members, .

NO, only the original members, back when membership used to be restricted in a similar way, been resurected.

Originally Posted by wejones

Or..... hasn't the new structure started yet, and everyone will have to RE-JOIN???Just curious.

New structure have already started and only approved members are able to view. Current general members who are interested to join will have to request that as I have pointed above.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by Admin

Yes, only members of the New Finds Club will be able to view now.



NO, only the original members, back when membership used to be restricted in a similar way, been resurected.




New structure have already started and only approved members are able to view. Current general members who are interested to join will have to request that as I have pointed above.

Thanks.
I think this is a good move. I think this will result in more people willing to post.

[rainman]

I agree Bill this has been long overdue.

[lumpkin666]

Okay,at the risk of sounding stupid, I'm going to ask anyhow. What is the reason behind people being hesitant to post "new finds" in an open forum? The only thing that comes to mind is that maybe you'd want to keep them "secret" so that the general public isn't viewing these new free channels and thusly prompting the content publishers into moving away from FTA format and encrypting (or moving them - i.e. the old C-Band days, I recall networks moving things around to keep people from watching their feeds before they were supposed to air)

Just curious..

Thanks guys!

[rainman]

Originally Posted by lumpkin666

Okay,at the risk of sounding stupid, I'm going to ask anyhow. What is the reason behind people being hesitant to post "new finds" in an open forum? The only thing that comes to mind is that maybe you'd want to keep them "secret" so that the general public isn't viewing these new free channels and thusly prompting the content publishers into moving away from FTA format and encrypting (or moving them - i.e. the old C-Band days, I recall networks moving things around to keep people from watching their feeds before they were supposed to air)

Just curious..

Thanks guys!

a lot of the fta channels are not meant for us but for the affiliate if they know that we are receiving certain channels they get scramble example is the Alaskan mux on w7 as soon as they found out they could be receive by us they were scramble so it is best to keep them quite so they don't scramble.

[lumpkin666]

Thanks rainman. That's what I figured. I was leaning towards that, or maybe the possibility that some members suffer from paranoid schitzophrenia

[wejones]

Originally Posted by lumpkin666

Okay,at the risk of sounding stupid, I'm going to ask anyhow. What is the reason behind people being hesitant to post "new finds" in an open forum? The only thing that comes to mind is that maybe you'd want to keep them "secret" so that the general public isn't viewing these new free channels and thusly prompting the content publishers into moving away from FTA format and encrypting (or moving them - i.e. the old C-Band days, I recall networks moving things around to keep people from watching their feeds before they were supposed to air)

Just curious..

Thanks guys!

Correct.
There are occasionally things that people find that aren't scrambled, which as soon as they get posted on public groups, the uplinkers immediately scramble them. There are other things that have been FTA for years even though listed in public web pages, so this isn't the same for everything.

It's a fine line between keeping things secret, so very few people get to see the feeds vs making them public so that everyone can see them, but risk having the feed encrypted. Some people beleive that nothing should be made public at all, while other people beleive that it is a myth that making the feeds public causes them to go encrypted, and post everything they see. I think the truth is somewhere in between.

I think that the most logical approach is to post information like this in forums like this, which are not accessable by search engines like Google, because I think in general, the technicians at uplink facilities know that people are watching, and don't care, often because they are watching these feeds themselves, however all it takes is for some executive of one of these networks to do a google, and find that people are watching their programming without paying for it, and they immediately call their uplink facility and tell them to scramble. So basically it's just an effort to make it less obvious that people are watching. However, most of the "quality" things that occasionally go FTA, are just temporary anyway, probably due to some problem at one of their receive sites, so I think in most cases it doesn't matter much whether we post in public or not, but it's safer to at least keep the stuff in the new finds area.

I think the new finds policy here is pretty logical compared to other places.

[Darkman]

Originally Posted by rainman

a lot of the fta channels are not meant for us but for the affiliate if they know that we are receiving certain channels they get scramble example is the Alaskan mux on w7 as soon as they found out they could be receive by us they were scramble so it is best to keep them quite so they don't scramble.

I could be wrong.. (so someone can correct me then) - but didn't that Alaskan mux on w7 got scrambled RIGHT after Alaskan locals went to subscriber tier on DISH Network platform and became available (to subscribers)?

Can't recall though now anyhow when it happened exactly..

[rainman]

Originally Posted by Darkman

I could be wrong.. (so someone can correct me then) - but didn't that Alaskan mux on w7 got scrambled RIGHT after Alaskan locals went to subscriber tier on DISH Network platform and became available (to subscribers)?

Can't recall though now anyhow when it happened exactly..

actually it happen right after someone got on a open forum and brag about getting out of market NFL football games. and then they were forced by the local stations to scramble.if i remember right.

[Darkman]

Ya.. could be any reason though...

Of course something like that would trigger them to scramble .. but never know - could be that.. could be some other reason..

We ll never know though.. - all we can do is guess and discuss it - and we are doing it, lol..

The main thing we have to remember though.. - it's FTA game .. and provider is in charge.. and whatever is UP today, CAN go DOWN any day (any minute actually) .. if the provider choses to do so.. or has a valid reason to do so..

But on the other hand.. - It's ONLY logical:

less talk = less people know about it .. and there are "less waves" and attention around it

[rainman]

Originally Posted by Darkman

Ya.. could be any reason though...

Of course something like that would trigger them to scramble .. but never know - could be that.. could be some other reason..

We ll never know though.. - all we can do is guess and discuss it - and we are doing it, lol..

The main thing we have to remember though.. - it's FTA game .. and provider is in charge.. and whatever is UP today, CAN go DOWN any day (any minute actually) .. if the provider choses to do so.. or has a valid reason to do so..

But on the other hand.. - It's ONLY logical:

less talk = less people know about it .. and there are "less waves" and attention around it

exactly the less they know about us the better.and it makes the hobbie fun just to see what you can find.LOL

[be236]

Too bad more FTA channels dont use the "regular OTA free TV" model.. where they just get advertisers to pay for part of the cost to beam up the FTA channel, so they get subsidized... I have no problem with watching some commercials to get free FTA channels, just like I do watching free OTA channels.

[lumpkin666]

Sent a request to join this group a couple days shy of 2 weeks ago, and haven't heard anything. I guess that means I was denied

[rainman]

Originally Posted by lumpkin666

Sent a request to join this group a couple days shy of 2 weeks ago, and haven't heard anything. I guess that means I was denied

nope it probaly the admmin haven't had the time to process your request yet.

[lumpkin666]

A month now and no reply to my request at all. Disappointing :/

[wejones]

Originally Posted by lumpkin666

A month now and no reply to my request at all. Disappointing :/

Strange. That makes at least 2 people who haven't been able to join. I wonder if it's one of those ISP problems, where email is blocked between you and Sadoun or something.

[elgemcdlf]

Originally Posted by be236

Too bad more FTA channels dont use the "regular OTA free TV" model.. where they just get advertisers to pay for part of the cost to beam up the FTA channel, so they get subsidized... I have no problem with watching some commercials to get free FTA channels, just like I do watching free OTA channels.

What? Those days are long gone. With so many people opting in to nonsense items (HOA's = legalized, consentual socialism) there are no commercial free channels anymore. Every FTA channel I have seen has commercials already. It is there as a demostration of ability to provide quality content in hopes a sat or cable provider will pick them up.

[Sadoun]

Originally Posted by lumpkin666

A month now and no reply to my request at all. Disappointing :/

Hey I don't see your request in the que. You should be able to see the New Finds Club Forum, If not, submit your request again.

[lumpkin666]

now you gotta be messin with me! I'm able to get in there now for some reason.. I guess I'd best not question how, and get to work lookin for content to add to the forum.

Thx!

[dmj]

I’m new to a lot of this fta stuff and I well read all I can before posting. Reading this thread I see where a private new finds forum is needed and wise. So a few more post and I may submit my request.

[datacom]

As more people get into the hobby more people will post. The down side is, as with anything, the more of the general populace involved the greater the chances of "wagging tongues"
I am looking forward to getting in the forum though

[yuzhanin]

I submitted my request last week too. I hope it did not get lost.

[datacom]

Still anxiously awaiting

[Powrline]

The Admin. asks that you have patience and give them 7 days, but when I requested to join, I believe it was over three weeks before I was accepted.

Someone else who requested membership around the same time that I did, remarked that they must not have accepted him, but the answer came back that the Administration has been busy, and they were trying to process them as fast as they could.


If you haven't been accepted in 7 days, don't take it personal, because it probably isn't. They are, honestly, busy.

"Anything worth waiting for, is worth waiting for."

Thanks,

Bill

[yuzhanin]

Originally Posted by Powrline

The Admin. asks that you have patience and give them 7 days, but when I requested to join, I believe it was over three weeks before I was accepted.

Someone else who requested membership around the same time that I did, remarked that they must not have accepted him, but the answer came back that the Administration has been busy, and they were trying to process them as fast as they could.


If you haven't been accepted in 7 days, don't take it personal, because it probably isn't. They are, honestly, busy.

"Anything worth waiting for, is worth waiting for."

Thanks,

Bill

They probably don't have that many requests and might not be checking for new requests often (being busy with other stuff).

Most likely, the forum software does not provide any kind of instant notification that there is a new request. I am guessing, this is why some requests do not get timely attention.

[Darkman]

so maybe, then, ... if nothing happens for a long time with your situation(s) .. PM 'em

Not sure though.. just one of suggestions i guess

[jayelem]

erased because this is in an open area.

I'm just not very happy.