Galaxy 16 @ 99W American TV Network?

T4Runner · #1 (**permalink**) 09-19-2006, 10:26 PM

Galaxy 16 @ 99W American TV Network? Has anyone been able to pick up this TRUE FTA Channel? I can't seem to pick it up. Even a blind scan wouldn't do it. Most of that sat is C Band, but this channel looked interesting. Supposed to be movies aimed at us Baby Boomers...

I'm using a motorized 3ft dish and a QPH-031 LNBF on my old PANSAT 2500A.

Supposed to be at: Freq, 11800, H, 19510-3/4

AmericanLife TV Network

satnutwillb · #2 (**permalink**) 09-19-2006, 10:42 PM

It's in DC2 format.You would need 4DTV to pick it up.

reho33 · #3 (**permalink**) 09-19-2006, 11:23 PM

I sent them a note asking them if in the future they would broadcast in DVB format instead of Digicipher II

T4Runner · #4 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 01:07 AM

Their website says it's at G15@133W , TP#22 on C-band:

http://www.goodtv.com/about.php

Confirmed here:

http://www.lyngsat.com/g15.html

Bummer. ...

rainman · #5 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 07:30 AM

it's digicipher so double bummer also scramble.

elgemcdlf · #6 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 08:52 AM

What an interesting request. "Will you spend millions of dollars on different equipment so we can see your channels for free?" Corresponding with anyone other than White Springs is only setting your ability to view channels to nil. Even the Church channels on DVB are starting to encrypt. Did we learn nothing from early big dish days?

If you absolutely felt you had to make some form of request I would think "Do you have any plans of adding DVB format to your transmissions in the future?" The majority of DVB FTA programming is there to demonstrate to satellite and cable providers the company can provide content trouble free in hopes they will be picked up by one or the other. It is not there for us. The cable companies can receive encrypted so all it takes is making people aware you are watching and now complaining about what you are watching for free.

It is only a matter of time before it is all encrypted much like the route of the big dish but drawing attention to us as hobbiest will only speed that process along. This is what you get. Accept it. If you are not satisfied with what you are getting for free try subbing to something. Or maybe buy a DCII receiver

Soap box mode off.

T4Runner · #7 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

What an interesting request. "Will you spend millions of dollars on different equipment so we can see your channels for free?" Corresponding with anyone other than White Springs is only setting your ability to view channels to nil. Even the Church channels on DVB are starting to encrypt. Did we learn nothing from early big dish days?

If you absolutely felt you had to make some form of request I would think "Do you have any plans of adding DVB format to your transmissions in the future?" The majority of DVB FTA programming is there to demonstrate to satellite and cable providers the company can provide content trouble free in hopes they will be picked up by one or the other. It is not there for us. The cable companies can receive encrypted so all it takes is making people aware you are watching and now complaining about what you are watching for free.

It is only a matter of time before it is all encrypted much like the route of the big dish but drawing attention to us as hobbiest will only speed that process along. This is what you get. Accept it. If you are not satisfied with what you are getting for free try subbing to something. Or maybe buy a DCII receiver

Soap box mode off.

Geez! While I respect everyone's right to voice an opinion, what brought on that response? It certainly wasn't Reho's "I sent them a note...". You sound like a VERY experienced person of the Sat industry and are overworked!

As the kids say: "Chill out my friend!" Wait until MPEG-4 gets here and we ALL have to buy new stuff again...

elgemcdlf · #8 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 01:32 PM

Actually do not work in the sat industry and far from overworked. I consider the opening a realistic analysis of the request presented from the perspective of the person receiving. Next followed what are starting trends towards the end result. Next came what would have been a reasonable request for info (IMHO). Final was a resolution to the problem without jeopardizing (did I actually spell that right

) everyone elses ability to view the channel.

Why stop my ability to view since I do own DCII equipment by requesting a switch to DVB? Just because it "fits" what someone else has in equipment? My dad said when I was very young "Do not ever complain about anything free" I do not. You accept what it is and either utilize or not.

Iceberg · #9 (**permalink**) 09-20-2006, 02:28 PM

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"Do not ever complain about anything free" I do not. You accept what it is and either utilize or not.

so true!

Its free so we have no reason to holler. If we do, then they probably will scramble it. Remember, 90% of the signals up there are NOT intended for our consumption (Religious and most ethnics are the exception) so we really can't complain if something happens

reho33 · #10 (**permalink**) 09-21-2006, 01:18 AM

Sorry............I won't send any sat uplinker anymore notes, etc. Didn't mean to jepordize anything. I would like to get the channel however as it looks like it has some really good programming on it.

elgemcdlf · #11 (**permalink**) 09-21-2006, 12:13 PM

Contacting an uplinker of anything FTA is most likely unhealthy to anything you hope to accomplish UNLESS that uplinker is someone you sub from. Example XYZ, they uplink many channels but sell programming so if I have a problem with a channel I am purchasing from them it is no problem at all I call them and ask for help in resolving the issue.

Now taken each of us represents x people. one note translates into how many people out there watching for free? Maybe it is time to encrypt. I would never dream of calling XYZ and saying I have been watching channel x (which I have no sub to) and am having a problem with ... Now what goes into play is resolving the problem (if it is on their end) and encrypting.

We all bought equipment to view what was available free to air with this type of technology. If one wants something offered on different technology buy that equipment. DCII has never been hacked (at least not public knowledge) so I seriously doubt anyone utilizing it would chuck it in favor of a more insecure system.

What I would like to see happen is a DCII CAM for CI receivers. the format is still incorrect but at least a step in the right direction.

elgemcdlf · #12 (**permalink**) 09-23-2006, 01:03 PM

MAS MUSICA on G10R Ku

A perfect example of why FTA exists. Mas Musica was a channel started and over time became a good channel. Good enough to be bought by Viacom. Now being merged with MTV Espanol (Sept. 25, 2006) and no longer exists FTA. What we watch with our DVB receivers is a proving ground for channels in hopes of being picked up by someone.

That will be offered in all formats as to my knowledge MTV is on DN, DTV and I can get it if I wanted with my 922.

Another channel that recently fell by the way side as FTA goes is Cinema+ on 30. Still there but encrypted now. To my knowledge there is a provider out of Florida selling programming off of 30. He is the only one and one would need at minimum a CI receiver.

glen4cindy · #13 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006, 03:18 AM

Newbie mode here asking a question.

This channel here we are talking about is in DCII format. I know this means that it is scrambled, but, Lyngsat shows it as F. Is it just that Lyngsat info is old? There are several channels shown in the Free TV section that are DCII. Does this mean that anyone with a DCII receiver can see these channels for free? If not, would one have to buy these a la carte from a provider like the ones shown in a catalog of satellite equipment? Or, is this pretty much unheard of on this side of the ocean?

Thanks.

satnutwillb · #14 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006, 03:56 AM

You can get them free with DC11 receiver.I believe the receiver had to have been authorized at one time.I get them on my 905 sidecar,but I'm subscribed to the Starz chs.

rainman · #15 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006, 07:28 AM

I beleive you're right satnut has to be authorized receiver.

elgemcdlf · #16 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006, 08:15 AM

My 922 carries 2 subs (Starz/Encore & Speed) and I get many clear channels.

wejones · #17 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rainman

I beleive you're right satnut has to be authorized receiver.

I think I may have been one of the sources of the "needs to be authorized" information. I think that the channel in question is what they call "FP" or fixed process. DCII, like DVB is MPGE2, but is entirely different from DVB, and can't be received by FTA DVB receivers. "Free" programs in the DCII format can be either in ZK mode (zero key), which means not encrypted, or in FP mode, which means encrypted with a Fixed key, known to all GI/Motorola DCII receivers. So a lot of things that are labeled as "FREE" on lyngsat are not really free, unless you have a GI/Motorola recever, and even then may not be free. I don't have a 4DTV, but instead have a 4200 receiver, which is very similar to one of the 4DTV sidecars. Those 4200 receivers, can receive ZK transmissions out of the box, but cannot receive FP transmissions until they have been authorized. After that, they can receive ANY FP transmission, even if they are no longer authorized for anything. I don't know if this is true for other models of DCII receivers or not. In fact, it WAS NOT true for even 4200 receivers that accidently caught an upload of some nasty firmware that was being uploaded by KET on AMC1, about 7 or 8 years ago. This made many 4200 owners very unhappy, because it turned their receivers into a boat anchor that were useless, except for ZK transmissions, and the only ZK things were those music channels. However GI at that time did those 4200 owners a BIG favor, after many complained, and sent a representative to the KET uplink site, and gave them a new firmware version to upload, and told the hobbiests to grab that version of firmware, which rescued their receivers so they could once again receive FP transmissions. I was not caught by the BAD firmware, but I uploaded the new version just in case.
I've since learned that there are several different version of these GI/Motorola DCII receivers, and each behaves very differently with respect to being able to tune these channels.
Anyway, when you see "Free" next to a DCII channel, it may or may not really be free for the specific receiver you are using, but it will definately require a GI/Motorola DCII receiver of some kind.