Like the man said don't forget the skew... and you physically turn the lnb, it's not the skew setting on the stb....
G25 was hard for me to get, but I did it with a 15% signal... then I learned what was meant by skew and turned the lnb about 25 degrees to boost signal to 65-70%. Remember, these sats aren't half as easy to hit as the DSS ones!