Identify this *channel*

[pmb1010]

ok, as I await the arrival of a loaner remote, for the borrowed C/Ku analog Legend receiver I have, using electric I haven't paid for yet....

This is what I've found:

I have the Ultra connected to C/Ku combination LNB.
Tuned to G11 at 91W. Am sitting on C band channel Horizontal polarity channel, watching WB on the tv hooked to the Ultra.

Legend receiver is "stuck" on Ku band, because the front buttons wont let me move off of Ku. OK fine. There are 2 sats programmed in Ku on this thing GE K1 and GE K2 (whatever that means).
Went to Radio Shack and bought a DC block, and installed it on back of Ultra's IF loop output port. RG-6 cable goes to Legend reciever's Ku input port.

I am on the K2 selection. I can cycle thru 32 channels. I get to channel 32, and get a torn up signal. Looks like the old days cable scrambled picture where they take out the horizontal hold... I can adjust the Mhz up and down on the analog receiver, and go up to +6mhz and thats the best I can get. No picture lock, but I can adjust the sound and can hear that it's the NBC nightly news. That has now ended, and currently it's a bit after 7pm, and I hear a tone off and on... probably a slate showing the transponder etc.

Now, if I go back to the ultra, and move off of "H" polarity, I lose the signal. If I move from Universal 1 to Standard, or even C band LNB freq, nothing changes on the analog box. How strange is that???
I would have expected the Ultra box to adjust the LNB freq, but all I can really seem to change to have an effect is the H or V - no matter what band C or Ku, or transponder freq I pick - the result is the same.

Comments?

[pmb1010]

Follow up.

Can't get the test card on AMC2.

Even accounting for the Universal lnbf being 150 mhz off, this would put the channel up an additional 3 or so higher on a 32 channel receiver... so around 17 or 20. Nothing but static.

But then again, I have no idea the channel layout for "K1" and "K2" on this box with no documentation.

blech...

[rainman]

most of the stuff on k2 (amc2) and k1(amc1) are nbc news wild feeds no set channels on ku analog.

[pmb1010]

are the feeds scrambled for you as I describe?
I'm trying to pin down if I'm doing something wrong or thats the way things are...

can you get the test card on AMC2?

[wejones]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

ok, as I await the arrival of a loaner remote, for the borrowed C/Ku analog Legend receiver I have, using electric I haven't paid for yet....

This is what I've found:

I have the Ultra connected to C/Ku combination LNB.
Tuned to G11 at 91W. Am sitting on C band channel Horizontal polarity channel, watching WB on the tv hooked to the Ultra.

Legend receiver is "stuck" on Ku band, because the front buttons wont let me move off of Ku. OK fine. There are 2 sats programmed in Ku on this thing GE K1 and GE K2 (whatever that means).
Went to Radio Shack and bought a DC block, and installed it on back of Ultra's IF loop output port. RG-6 cable goes to Legend reciever's Ku input port.

I am on the K2 selection. I can cycle thru 32 channels. I get to channel 32, and get a torn up signal. Looks like the old days cable scrambled picture where they take out the horizontal hold... I can adjust the Mhz up and down on the analog receiver, and go up to +6mhz and thats the best I can get. No picture lock, but I can adjust the sound and can hear that it's the NBC nightly news. That has now ended, and currently it's a bit after 7pm, and I hear a tone off and on... probably a slate showing the transponder etc.

Now, if I go back to the ultra, and move off of "H" polarity, I lose the signal. If I move from Universal 1 to Standard, or even C band LNB freq, nothing changes on the analog box. How strange is that???
I would have expected the Ultra box to adjust the LNB freq, but all I can really seem to change to have an effect is the H or V - no matter what band C or Ku, or transponder freq I pick - the result is the same.

Comments?

I may be remembering this wrong, and confusing it with VCII video, since it's been many years since I fooled around with this, but your description of the video sounds somewhat like what I remember seeing if you were watching Ku on the C-band input or visa-versa. I forget the details, but I think it is because one of the two has reversed video, and since the pulses that the receiver looks for to sync are going the wrong way, you get a rolling or angled image. I know that you plugged into the Ku input, however in that receiver it's possible to set the KU input up as a C-band input, which might be the case. You might try tuning your DVB receiver to a C-band satellite, and see what you get, as it may actually be doing C-band through the Ku port. There is a lot more analog on C-band anyway.
Relative to your expecting the DVB box to change the lnb freq, etc, that's just not the way it works. The Ultra just passes through the whole band and doesn't change it at all. THe only thing it can do is tell the LNBF to switch polarity or change bands. It can't change the freqs, except by switching between local oscillators.
Anyway, finding analog on Ku isn't easy. If I notice any analog, I'll post. Your best chance is during these preseason NFL games. SBS6 is a good place to look, and all the sats between IA6 and SBS6 are possibilities. Not sure if there are any NFL games today or not.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the K1, K2 thing.. I think they are pretty much the same format, as there used to be a Satcom-K1 and Satcom-K2 sat (precursors to the GE 1,2,3 sats, which became AMC), and I think both had pretty much the same format. The weird thing on MY Echo/Houston Tracker receivers was that the receiver format had 32 channels, but it repeated. Ie I'd get the same thing on channel 16 that I got on 32. There was also an Anik format that had one polarity on 1-16 and the other polarity on 17-32, which was strange too. Then I think the SBS format, I think only had 20 channels. I think there was also a spacenet format too, there were about 5 different formats. Actually, I could set up a satellite to use C-band spacing with the Ku input too (this is different from the port being defined as C or Ku).

[pmb1010]

Thanks Bill,

would explain things, sort of if the Ku port is defined as C in receiver setup... It does have H and V on the ports, in addition to C and Ku on them. Do you know what that means (H and V)? didnt the receiver switch the polarity, why would they put separate inputs?

Here's a list of what I found as I scanned all the sats from last night:

AMC3 (Ultra set on Horizontal)
Channel 23 on C box = ABC
Channel 7 ?

G3C - (Ultra on Vertical)
Ch 28 ?
Ch 2 Horse racing
Ch 12 Extasy porn
Ch 18 Horse racing

G4R
Vertical
Ch 6 ?
Ch 11 Soccer
Ch 22
Horizontal
Ch 5
Ch 7 Church programming
Ch 21 Network programming
Ch 23 Church programming

[wejones]

I'm seeing an analog feed on G11 right now. A WTVo news feed from the plane crash site.

It's on ch 26 on my receiver, but that is meaningless because all Ku receivers have different channel spacing.

EDIT: On the C-band side of G11, there is a Jewelry channel on ch 10 that is analog.

[pmb1010]

Originally Posted by wejones

You might try tuning your DVB receiver to a C-band satellite, and see what you get, as it may actually be doing C-band through the Ku port.

that didn't seem to work, I was on C band on G11 and the picture on the analog receiver was all torn up (see 1st post).

For me moving between C and Ku on the Ultra, doesnt seem to have any effect on the analog. I get the same channel on the analog receiver.

Only changing between H and V makes a difference.

EDIT--- above is wrong. Changing the DISEQC port does drop out the C band signal...

(I'll fire up G11 and see what I get...)

[pmb1010]

When on G11, I got a torn up channel with the letters "We" on the bottom of the screen, best I could see as it's all torn up.

I really do think its possible it's C band reception on the Ku port.

I'll move to SBS 6 and see what I can find.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

When on G11, I got a torn up channel with the letters "We" on the bottom of the screen, best I could see as it's all torn up.

I really do think its possible it's C band reception on the Ku port.

I'll move to SBS 6 and see what I can find.

I think I mis-understood your first port. Yes, the "WE" thing is on C-band. I just now did an experiment to simulate what you did, ie I connected my C-band COAX to the Ku port of my analog receiver. And I got I think 3 torn up channels, the one with WE and one other that were VCII channels and the Jewelry channel, which is not scrambled. All three were torn up with reversed video like I stated above. I think the difference between VCII and Ku format is that VCII is reversed AND is missing sync pulses. I think that this means that your Ultra isn't able to switch your LNBF from C to Ku or something like that (I'm not familiar with your LNBF). Ie I'm assuming that you're supposed to be able to switch between C and Ku via 22 KHz or something??? Or do you have separate cables or something??

[wejones]

Slightly off topic, but I have a neat little gadget called a "Sync-a-Link", which can reverse video and/or add sync pulses. So it would take that video you're watching and make it viewable. I used to use this on VCII channels. THe VCII video isn't encrypted, only the audio is, so you could use one of these video reverser/sync inverters and view the video on VCII channels. Of course, there was no audio. I used to use it in conjunction with internet radio to watch football games, except that the audio would be about 60 seconds behind the video, which was a bit strange to watch. It was at a time when the raw backhauls had the video encrypted but clear audio, while the VCII had the audio encrypted but the video only reversed. If I had 2 dishes I could watch the audio on one sat and the video on another, but I only had 1 dish then. Now I could do it, but they don't do it that way anymore. (Ie raw feeds digital, and Sunday Ticket went off C-band) :-(

[pmb1010]

The LNBF switches between C and Ku via an internal DISEQC in the lnbf itself.

The LNBF does switch via the Ultra. I lose the Cband (broken up) signal when I switch the DISEQC port to Ku. It's just the analog reciever's Ku port is set to C, and I cant change it.
The C input wont work, because I cant get the reciever off of K1 or K2.
I will have to wait till I can get the Ku port on the analog reciever switched from C to Ku to go any further.

I'm stuck without access to the remote. Maybe tomorrow it'll be here.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

The LNBF switches between C and Ku via an internal DISEQC in the lnbf itself.

The LNBF does switch via the Ultra. I lose the Cband (broken up) signal when I switch the DISEQC port to Ku. It's just the analog reciever's Ku port is set to C, and I cant change it.
The C input wont work, because I cant get the reciever off of K1 or K2.
I will have to wait till I can get the Ku port on the analog reciever switched from C to Ku to go any further.

I'm stuck without access to the remote. Maybe tomorrow it'll be here.

Well, if you put your LNBF in KU mode, even transponder, you should be able to get the KU analog feed that's on there right now. It's KU, and if your analog receiver is KU, you should receive it. You might have to try both polarities though.

[pmb1010]

maybe I got the test card on AMC2.
It's not very stable, very weak. it's color bars.
Has white text, looks like a phone number across very bottom?

I had to change the Ku LNBF type in the Ultra, from "universal" (dual freq) to "standard" (single freq). Doesnt matter if i use 10600 or 10750, the result on the analog box is the same. At least it's attempting to get something.

I'd expect the signal to be much stronger on Ku with a 4 footer, as I am getting C band on the Ku input port with a really good picture, albeit unwatchable.

Again, maybe the box has it defined as C band and it's all mixed up with what I'm trying to do.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by pmb1010

maybe I got the test card on AMC2.
It's not very stable, very weak. it's color bars.
Has white text, looks like a phone number across very bottom?

I had to change the Ku LNBF type in the Ultra, from "universal" (dual freq) to "standard" (single freq). Doesnt matter if i use 10600 or 10750, the result on the analog box is the same. At least it's attempting to get something.

I'd expect the signal to be much stronger on Ku with a 4 footer, as I am getting C band on the Ku input port with a really good picture, albeit unwatchable.

Again, maybe the box has it defined as C band and it's all mixed up with what I'm trying to do.

It finally dawned on me that you apparently have a universal lnb on the KU side, which I guess is why you can't get the feed that is on there right now. I'm getting it on channel 26, which on my Drake puts it at 12096. It's not quite on center freq, but is within 10 MHz of there.
Well, if you have a universal lnbf, and are in the upper range, then you're using the 10600, which will output 11550-12050. Ie 12050 is the upper range, and I was seeing the feed at 12096 +/- 10 . The AMC2 test card is down on a lower channel, which is why you can see that. The test card is a pretty weak signal for me, for some reason. Not sure if it's behind my pine tree or not.... I'll have to look. But I can barely get it with my big dish, so you're not doing badly compared to me anyway. Too bad you can't get the upper range of G11, because that signal is a pretty strong one.