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Old 11-12-2007, 03:23 AM
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H-H Mounts for C-band 7.5' dishes and bigger

Hi Everyone,

I would like to duplicate my setup that I have for my ku dish.

I have an HH mount and can hit all the satelittes east-west listed on lyngsat for north america.
I have gotten two used c-band dishes a 7.5 -kti and a 10'.
Both are mesh and the 10 foot is in rough shape but the 7.5 is in great shape.

I would like to be able to hit all the satellites east-west with c-band like I do ku. From what I have been reading there are limitations with the actuator arms.

Can I still purchase H-H motors for the big dishes? If I am understanding all my reading they don't make them any more and I should be looking for a used one? I am constantly on the lookout for used dishes and equipment. I have yet to put up c-band yet but I have been trying to gather the equipment.

So far I have the two dish mentioned with the two pole mounts and actuator Super JackII+ HQ. A General Instruments Super350i Reciever. California Amplifier C-Band Dual Polarity lnbf. Model 31477.
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-ordering qph-031 tonight

I am so anxious to set up a c-band to see what I can get.



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Oz
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:36 AM
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no body sells the big dish HH motors any more that I know of your best bet would be to find a used one.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:33 AM
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Check out your existing mount hardware and such. I have two BUDs mounted on poles and they get virtually the same (if not better) arc that my ku motorized dish gets.

I think there were different types of mounts at some time in the past, because my dishes will almost lay on their sides on each side.. the actuators kinda groan trying to pull the dish back from being all the way to the limits, but they do it fine. I'm assuming actuator length will affect the amount of the arc you can see. I have a couple good sized superjack actuators.. not sure the size, but they are huge compared to the 18" one that I had on my old 7.5 back in the day.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:40 AM
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I agree with both the above. But to add a bit;

If you're just trying to get the sats over the US, then an actuator is fine, and you don't need a H-H. It's only when you're trying to extend your arc over the Atlantic or Pacific that you might need a H-H.

If you do find a H-H ( which are usually sold as part of the dish mount rather than a separate item ), I would plan on doing a refurb on it, ie good lubrication, and perhaps replace the reed switch, because the H-H mounts are exposed to the elements, and get rusty and/or mouse nests/leaves/wasp nests mixed in with the grease.

If you go with an actuator, the geometry of where the actuator attaches on your dish will significantly affect the arc you can expect to see. I've drawn a few examples (sorry for very poor drawings).



At the left, is what I had with my previous dish, ie the actuator connected pretty far out on the dish, and the connection tab was close to the dish, so if you tried to go too far past it's high point, the actuator would jam against the side of the dish where the arrow points. .... limited arc....
Some people on the internet solved this problem like shown in the middle picture by extending the connection point out away from the dish. ....improved arc...
Also, some dishes have RINGS that support the dish. These rings aren't as far out, plus they give you a connection point out away from the dish a bit. (picture to right) ....improved arc...
Still other dishes (like a 6' dish I have now), don't have the connection point on the dish itself, but on a metal bracket that is close to the center of the dish, however this also had a problem of the actuator jamming against the actual mount.... limited arc....
Ie, if you can't get the whole arc with the specific dish geometry you have, you can often alter the connection points to give you more arc.

A LOT of people have problems with an actuator being able to pull the dish back once you've gone past it's high point. At a minimum, the free play involved will mean that the dish will not hit the same spot when pulling as when pushing, but worst case is that some actuators can fail, and let go, and the dish will flop to the ground. That's never happened to me, but I've gotten to situations with the dish described on the left, when the actuator starts to jam, that the actuator just cannot pull the dish back, and it will actually bend the dish rather than retract it.
But if you are just trying to receive the sats over the US, none of this stuff generally becomes an issue, and an actuator is the way to go, and will be less problems in the long run, and if it ever fails, you just replace it, compared to the situation I'm in now, where my H-H is failing, but it can't be replaced.
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:37 PM
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re

Thanks guys for the responses, especially the drawings.

I have two questions.

1. SHould I assume that if I can hit all the east west dishes with my 1metere ku dish, that from the same spot I should mount my c-band dish?
Would the line of site be the same to the dish if my ku gets it should my c-band dish?

2. I should be picking up this dish as soon as the weather clears. Is this a good setup?
"Orbitron-SX 12' C-Band Dish with Horizon-to-Horizon Polar Mount & C/Ku band LNB"
I have been scouring the free adds and posting wanted for dishes and So far I have a crappy 10', decent 7.5', great 10' and now I should be getting the 12'. All the others are using actuators. I am HOPING that the H-H works still for the 12' I drove by the dish and the dish from a distance looks in excellent shape.

Is the 12' foot overkill or would the 10' be good enough.
I am in 60033 zip.


Thanks for all the replies!!!

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Thanks guys for the responses, especially the drawings.

I have two questions.

1. SHould I assume that if I can hit all the east west dishes with my 1metere ku dish, that from the same spot I should mount my c-band dish?
Would the line of site be the same to the dish if my ku gets it should my c-band dish?

2. I should be picking up this dish as soon as the weather clears. Is this a good setup?
"Orbitron-SX 12' C-Band Dish with Horizon-to-Horizon Polar Mount & C/Ku band LNB"
I have been scouring the free adds and posting wanted for dishes and So far I have a crappy 10', decent 7.5', great 10' and now I should be getting the 12'. All the others are using actuators. I am HOPING that the H-H works still for the 12' I drove by the dish and the dish from a distance looks in excellent shape.

Is the 12' foot overkill or would the 10' be good enough.
I am in 60033 zip.


Thanks for all the replies!!!

Oz
I have a 10' Orbitron. The problem I have with it is that it is a pretty deep dish, ie very low F/D ratio. Because of that, I don't think that the feedhorn is really effectively using the whole dish. Sort of like peripheral vision. If I had the choice, I'd take a high F/D 10' dish over a low F/D 12' dish. But in general, bigger is usually better.
My Orbitron also has a H-H mount, which is nice with respect to being able to see the whole arc (although it doesn't help me see through trees), however I'm starting to wish I had bought an actuator model, since if I had an actuator, now that I'm having problems, I could just replace an actuator, but you can't really replace a H-H, nor can you get most replacement parts.
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