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Ski5010 · #1 (**permalink**) 09-16-2007, 12:57 PM

(Must of been the wrong forum to post this i guess.Thank you)I have a DSR 922 i just boughtAnd a HDD200 ,But now that i have it im not sure how to use it.I want to know how to use it for the free part of the tv for now,Can anyone help me out,and can i still use what they call the maping part of the program and just what do i do.Thank you.Oh and what type of lnb or lnbf should i be using,I want to try and get all sat that i can. Im using a 10foot BUD.

elgemcdlf · #2 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 07:34 AM

The easiest setup is the standard feedhorn / lnb configuration. Best to go with a feedhorn that does both c & ku. If this is a new receiver you will need to have it authorized prior to use. This is a free service that any provider can do. Many "free" channels are only free as long as you have a sub to at least 1 digital channel. With no sub they revert back into encrypted mode. Not all but many. Most info concerning "free" DCII channels is found at satforums and not here at Sadoun's forum. Most concerning free channels is hush hush as they are premiuim channels.

wejones · #3 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 10:08 AM

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..... Many "free" channels are only free as long as you have a sub to at least 1 digital channel. With no sub they revert back into encrypted mode. Not all but many......

I know they do this sort of thing with the VCII analog channels, but I still haven't seen an example of this with the DCII channels. I think we discussed this once before and you gave one example, but it was from way in the past or something, ie not current, so I couldn't check it out. Since this person has an un-subbed receiver now, it might be a good test to see just what encrypted channels are available free with one sub. Ie what I'm guessing is the case is that until you have your receiver authorized, you probably can only receive ZK signals, and except for music channels, there are very few of them. However once authorized, I'm guessing that you can get channels that are FP, which are encrypted with a fixed key. This is the way it was with the 4200 commercial receivers, ie until once authorized, they only got ZK, but after authorized, even if reset to factory thereafter, they will get FP too (and one bad firmware version made the 4200s revert to the ZK only mode on being reset). Since virtually all 4200s are used, most have been authorized at one point in time.
I know it's possible that there are other modes that make some encrypted channels free, like they have with the VCII, but I've never seen an example of it. Ie any time I've heard of free 4DTV channels, they've typically been FP things. Anyway, just curious. Hopefully Ski5010 will post about what he finds free.

pmb1010 · #4 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 10:16 AM

I sub to 1 digitial channel (IFC, at $7 / year)

I have not found too much "in the clear" in the last couple weeks I've had my C band dish running, but I'm limited right now to sats 1 or 2 away from G10 area due to tree (which happens to be most of the subscription DC2 sats)

Soon I will reposition dish so it sees 72 to 105 or so.
Or cut the tree down.

wejones · #5 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pmb1010

I sub to 1 digitial channel (IFC, at $7 / year)

I have not found too much "in the clear" in the last couple weeks I've had my C band dish running, but I'm limited right now to sats 1 or 2 away from G10 area due to tree (which happens to be most of the subscription DC2 sats)

Soon I will reposition dish so it sees 72 to 105 or so.
Or cut the tree down.

Be careful cutting tree down. I cut down trees all the time, and don't think much of it, but last week I tried cutting down a dead birch tree (fairly big for a birch but not all that big). The thing almost got it's revenge on me. I'm always careful to make sure I have an escape route away from the way the tree is falling, however what I didn't realize was that this tree had a rotten spot a bit less than half way up, and when it started falling, the first resistance it felt from neighboring trees caused it to snap in half, and the upper half folded like a folding ruler, and came down very fast right toward me. I did manage to get out of the way, but it did give me a new appreciation for potential dangers while cutting trees.

pmb1010 · #6 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 12:07 PM

I plan on hiring someone that knows what they are doing.
This thing is way to big and heavy for me to fool with.

wejones · #7 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pmb1010

I plan on hiring someone that knows what they are doing.
This thing is way to big and heavy for me to fool with.

Yeah, I understand that. I had two good sized oaks that were leaning toward my house/garage that I hired a fellow to take down. This guy climbed about 40 or 50' up these trees without being tied on. Once up there, he tied on with a rope when he was cutting, but he had me pretty worried even then since the trees shake quite a bit when a big section is cut, and there wasn't much holding him up there. I have another tree I need to take down that I "THINK" is leaning away from my house, that I plan to do myself, but it has me a bit worried. Last spring, I THOUGHT that I had removed all the trees that were blocking my western most sats, but when the leaves came out, it was worse than last year. I'm hoping that this one last tree might help though.

Ski5010 · #8 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 07:57 PM

Were is the best place to get this digitial channel (IFC, at $7 / year) I must say this is a used receiver about 2 yrs old i was told.And do i still connect my HDD 200.

pmb1010 · #9 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007, 07:59 PM

I wont post a direct link, but I'm sure if you search SPS and 4DTV in Google you'll find something.

mreaves53 · #10 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007, 11:42 AM

You must have a subscription to use the HDD 200. The best place for programing is NPS. Their web site is NPS - Your One Call Solution - CBAND Satellite Programming C-band. The HD on 4DTV is good, but limited to about 6 channels. The biggest advantage of 4DTV is the number of movie channels available for the price. I receive all of the movie channels that are available which is a bunch for a whole lot less than I would pay with a small dish or local cable. As a matter of fact I can not get all of the movie channels I want and can get from 4DTV from any where else at any price. I love the east and west coast feeds.

If you want more info, e-mail me.

Thanks,

wejones · #11 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mreaves53

You must have a subscription to use the HDD 200. ....

I don't think that's necessarily true is it? There are a couple HD feeds that are free (FP), like the Nebraska and Lousianna HD PBS channels. Don't these work? If so, it isn't that you need a subscription for the HDD 200, but you just that some channels need subscriptions?? Or did I misunderstand what you said??? Basically, I don't know how the HDD 200 could even know if you had a subscription.
Or perhaps you meant you need to have subscibed to some service just to be able to receive FP channels?

mreaves53 · #12 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007, 04:08 PM

You are right, HDD 200 does not care if you have a subscription or not. All it does it take the feed from the DSR 922 and convert it to 1080i for the HD TV.

I am not sure if you have to have a subscription to receive the free (FP) channels or not. The people over at the 4DTV Forum can answer that question. You can also find out what free HD channels there are. If you want HD movie channels, you have to have a subscription. There is no additional charge for the HD channels. HBO has 2, Starz has 2, and Showtime has 1. Discovery has one, but I believe you have to pay extra to receive it.

One thing I can say for sure, the HD on 4DTV is phenomenal.

Ski5010 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 09:40 AM

Will with my BSC-2 i had perfect picture on all channels but with my new Corotor II c/KU pak i get sparkles on alot of my channels and the setup is the same i think why is ity giving me poorer picture.I can't seem to get rid of the sparkles

elgemcdlf · #14 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 11:53 AM

It is my assumption you are getting the sparkles on the analog channels. Is your C Band lnb new or used? Assuming you have everything connected properly & alignment is correct I would say the lnb is on it's way out.

rainman · #15 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 12:23 PM

you didn't state what type of lnb's you were using but as Steve stated sounds like they are going bad or are inferior.

wejones · #16 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 01:10 PM

I'd wonder more about the adjustment of polarity.
I've never seen an LNB slowly die. For me, it's usually an all or nothing thing.
The CoRotor feeds are usually installed at a 45 deg angle, and you need to adjust the polarity via the receiver. If this isn't done properly, you'll get lots of sparklies. With the lnbfs, you usually adjust to the correct skew at installation, as no receiver adjustment is possible.

lumpkin666 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:12 PM

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I'd wonder more about the adjustment of polarity.
I've never seen an LNB slowly die. For me, it's usually an all or nothing thing....

I don't know how Digital goes, but in the old analog days, as your lnb got older it seemed like there would be more sparklies.. a new lnb would spiff things back up. Of course, I was told it was the lnb, but maybe it was the general degradation of the equipment/cable/ends/etc, and a new lnb was more powerful/efficient and just put out a better signal, which overcame the the degradation of the other equipment.