Galaxy 13/ Horizons 1

[KINGBICHO]

Hi everyone,

Im confused!!! I have a 4dtv receiver, 8.5 mesh dish and fortec classic fta receiver.... On lyngsat is states that on this satellite I could see 3960 V tp 13 (disney channel east) and 3705V tp1 (venemovies) as free to air...I can't see these channels on 4dtv...Do I need to do something to 4dtv to receive these channels?? I know they are digicipher II but isn't the 4dtv receiver supposed to get any digicipher II channels scrambled and unscrambled?? please advice, thanks

louie

[wejones]

Originally Posted by KINGBICHO

Hi everyone,

Im confused!!! I have a 4dtv receiver, 8.5 mesh dish and fortec classic fta receiver.... On lyngsat is states that on this satellite I could see 3960 V tp 13 (disney channel east) and 3705V tp1 (venemovies) as free to air...I can't see these channels on 4dtv...Do I need to do something to 4dtv to receive these channels?? I know they are digicipher II but isn't the 4dtv receiver supposed to get any digicipher II channels scrambled and unscrambled?? please advice, thanks

louie

Hopefully someone with a 4DTV can help more, but 4DTVs cannot get just "ANY" DCII channel. There are lots of DCII channels that they can't receive. The second thing is that Lyngsat is often obsolete data. Both those entries were several months old.
If those entries are correct, I would have expected you to be able to get the transponder 13 example, but there is a good chance that you wouldn't be able to get the transponder 1 example, because not all 4DTVs can do the 4880 SR rate, ie the early ones could only do 19510 and 29270. BTW, the "F" on DCII channels shouldn't be called FTA, because they are usually FP, which means that they are actually scrambled, but free for authorized GI/Motorola DCII receivers .

[elgemcdlf]

Can not speak of the Disney channel but venemovies is channel 800 or maybe 600. Do not remember and not at the receiver but I do have it. If your 4dtv is setup correctly AND authorized with a sub to something digital & you are not getting it your dish is out of alignment.

[KINGBICHO]

Thanks for the reply...Unfortunally m y 4DTV receiver went down yesterday....Im so upset..It wont turn on anymore.....I have the motorola 920, could be the battery inside the box?? I have had this receiver for quite some time now, probaldy at the begining of the whole 4dtv era.....any pointers??

Also can I connect my fortec star DVB-486NA to my old mesh dish and actually control it??

I had it slave to the 4DTV but since it went down, I at least want to watch some FTA's DVB channels....

[wejones]

Originally Posted by KINGBICHO

Thanks for the reply...Unfortunally m y 4DTV receiver went down yesterday....Im so upset..It wont turn on anymore.....I have the motorola 920, could be the battery inside the box?? I have had this receiver for quite some time now, probaldy at the begining of the whole 4dtv era.....any pointers??

Also can I connect my fortec star DVB-486NA to my old mesh dish and actually control it??

I had it slave to the 4DTV but since it went down, I at least want to watch some FTA's DVB channels....

First, I think that the 920 is the model that doesn't do the low SR values that I mentioned above, which explains one of your examples.

Second, for repair of the 4DTV, check out ATS Electronics, Inc. Authorized 4DTV Repair Center . They are an authorized 4DTV repair center. I sent them my 4200V (commercial DCII receiver), and they fixed it quickly. I think they charge a bit more if the battery has died, but they can fix it either way. Email them and tell them the symptoms.

Re moving the dish, you can do that with a VBOX, however your problem would be controlling the polarity. Cheaper to buy an old junker analog receiver to control the dish.

[KINGBICHO]

I appreciate your quick reply and suggestions, they are most helpful. With that set and done, were can I find a old junker to make my dish move?? hey maybe an old junker capable of getting this FTA DCII channels that 4dtv wont get....any ideas?? the v-box is $79 at sadoun so I assume that an old junker can be found for quite less?? so any phone numbers or websites that sell old stuff besides e-bay??

Thanks!!

[wejones]

Originally Posted by KINGBICHO

I appreciate your quick reply and suggestions, they are most helpful. With that set and done, were can I find a old junker to make my dish move?? hey maybe an old junker capable of getting this FTA DCII channels that 4dtv wont get....any ideas?? the v-box is $79 at sadoun so I assume that an old junker can be found for quite less?? so any phone numbers or websites that sell old stuff besides e-bay??

Thanks!!

I was talking about Ebay. Was also referring to just an analog IRD that could move the dish for you. An Ebay receiver might cost anywhere from $30 to more than $100, but it will also control the polarotor too, which the vbox doesn't. Comparing prices, if you went the VBOX route, since the VBOX can't control a polarotor, you'd need to also get a C-band LNBF that a FTA receiver can control, and that will double your cost.
Re the DCII channels that 4DTV won't get... there are 2 issues. The 4DTV has a channel map of various frequency/SR values, however some DCII signals on sat are on frequencies that aren't available in this map. Also, the early 4DTVs (I think the 920 you have) only did 2 SR values, I think the 19.51 and 29.27. The later 4DTVs (I think the 922 and sidecar) would do all the commonly used DCII SR values.
I don't use a 4DTV myself, I have a couple older commercial DCII receivers, ie DSR4200 and I use them primarily for PBS, although now that much of PBS has moved to FTA, I don't use them nearly as often anymore. One of these, the 4200V does all the SR values. The other one, a DSR4200b only does 3 SR values, I forget which ones, but I think it's 19.51, 4.88, and one other one. There is also a 4200c model that also just does a few of the SR values. All of these 4200 receivers though, can do any freq. Ie you tune it to the freq of the signal, and it downloads a virtual channel table with the proper freq/SR values associated with that service. The problem though is that the 4200 receivers only hold one VCT, so you have to reset it to factory conditions to tune another service's VCT. This requires about 55 keystrokes and a wait of up to 5 minutes, which is quite inconvenient. The other drawback is that you can't subscribe to subscription channels with a commercial receiver. You can only receive channels that are free (FP or ZK). I bought a 4200b for about $30 on ebay, but a 4200V would probably cost more than $100, (although I paid nearly $1200 for mine, but that was about 11 years ago). However now that PBS is transitioning away from DCII, there is less to watch on DCII, so they might be getting cheaper.
A 4200 or newer commercial DCII receiver won't move a dish though. It is just a receiver, like the 4DTV sidecar, not a dish mover.

[elgemcdlf]

Checked this weekend and venem was locked. You also may be reading about channels available only through knowledge of how to use a 4DTV receiver. I see no listing at all for Disney on that sat in my guide which makes me believe it requires more than point and click knowledge.

[KINGBICHO]

i STILL HAVENT BOUGHT A RECEIVER TO CONTROL MY BIG DISH.....I DO HAVE A QUESTION....MY DVB FORTEC-STAR -786na HAS A BUILD IN SKEW CONTROL IN THE BACK.....WITH THAT SAID, WILL A V-BOX WORK TO MOVE MY BIG DISH? IF SO, HOW CAN I HOOK UP THE FORTEC STAR, V-BOX IN ORDER TO CONTROL AND MOVE MY BIG DISH?? IS IT CHEAPER THIS WAY OR SHOULD I STILL PRESS MY LUCK AND BID ON AN OLD ANALOG RECEIVER?? I STILL NEED TO BUY EITHER A V-BOX (IF I NEED IT) OR ANALOG RECEIVER.....

ANYONE HEARD OF
C-band general instrument receiver 2560r??


Im bidding on it right now it will come down to less than 40 bucks with shipping but my concern will be if I could still slave this receiver and the fortec star just like I had the 4dtv receiver with the fortec star.....

hope i dont sound like an idiot with these questions.....please excuse my rookieness....lol

[wejones]

Originally Posted by KINGBICHO

i STILL HAVENT BOUGHT A RECEIVER TO CONTROL MY BIG DISH.....I DO HAVE A QUESTION....MY DVB FORTEC-STAR -786na HAS A BUILD IN SKEW CONTROL IN THE BACK.....WITH THAT SAID, WILL A V-BOX WORK TO MOVE MY BIG DISH? IF SO, HOW CAN I HOOK UP THE FORTEC STAR, V-BOX IN ORDER TO CONTROL AND MOVE MY BIG DISH?? IS IT CHEAPER THIS WAY OR SHOULD I STILL PRESS MY LUCK AND BID ON AN OLD ANALOG RECEIVER?? I STILL NEED TO BUY EITHER A V-BOX (IF I NEED IT) OR ANALOG RECEIVER.....

ANYONE HEARD OF
C-band general instrument receiver 2560r??


Im bidding on it right now it will come down to less than 40 bucks with shipping but my concern will be if I could still slave this receiver and the fortec star just like I had the 4dtv receiver with the fortec star.....

hope i dont sound like an idiot with these questions.....please excuse my rookieness....lol

Since your 786 has skew, then the 786 plus the VBOX should move your big dish fine. The question would then come down to whether you want analog capability. I'm not familiar with the specific GI receiver you're bidding on, but since it is post VCII technology, it should be a decent receiver. However often when you buy an old used receiver like that, the remote isn't included or perhaps the remote won't work right, and you end up not being able to use the receiver as conveniently as you could when the receiver was new, so it might be more convenient to go the VBOX route. Since you've already bid on the analog receiver, you might as well just wait until it comes, and see how well everything works, then you can decide whether to slave it off the FTA or slave the FTA off the GI receiver.

[elgemcdlf]

Another issue with some of the older receivers is they did not move dishes and required a seperate positioner so you may be in exactly the same boat when all is said and done. I just picked up a working HT70 w/module & remote for free from a lady in Indianapolis (near where I work). If you check your neighborhood for unused big dishes you may find one that if you take the dish they have the complete system. Hauling away a spare dish is not a bad deal fo a receiver you want.

Why not just buy a DSR922? They are plentiful new and used. Another option is another used 920.

[wejones]

Originally Posted by elgemcdlf

Another issue with some of the older receivers is they did not move dishes and required a seperate positioner so you may be in exactly the same boat when all is said and done. ...

True, but I think I saw somewhere that this receiver was VCII capable, and I don't remember seeing a receiver that has come out since they started including VCII units, that didn't also have a dish mover built in. Of course I may have been wrong about this receiver being VCII capable, but I did a quick google, and saw it and VCII mentioned in the same sentence. But again, since he's bid on it already, he might as well wait and see what it can and can't do.
Re buying a 922 or 920, I don't think I'd recommend a 920, since it doesn't do all modes. A 922 is OK, but if it were me, I think I'd prefer a regular analog receiver with a sidecar. I've never looked on ebay for one of those... I wonder how much they go for?

[KINGBICHO]

I have been in communication with Tom at ATS electronics out of North Carolina. They are willing to either repair my 4DTV for 99 dollar labor rate plus parts and shipping or swap it for a Motorola 450i analog receiver....Does anyone have imput on this receiver?? I have been told that it was a top of a line analog receiver back in its hay-days.....As always my concern is if im making a good investment or not....Since almost nothing is on in analog these days but then again, I dont subscribe to 4dtv service either.....Of course my biggest deal is slaving it to my Fortec star receiver...

I do have two more questions that have nothing to do with Im talkin about....

1st....can anyone be able to see channels (canal de las estrellas, 4TV, Galavision Mexico and Canal 5) from SatMex 5 116.8W 3940H tp12 29270 SR since Lyngsat claims that they are free to air??

2nd....can you install a BSC621C- LNBF on a 8.5 old mesh dish?? I was also thinkin of upgrading but dont know if LNB and LNBF are the same thing or can I only replace the c and ku band LNB seperately.....What I like about the BSC621 is the price and quality of the LNBF but dont know if it will work for me.....

I appreciate everyones reply on this, it is good to see that there are people out there that still care about the old dish.....

[elgemcdlf]

Originally Posted by KINGBICHO

I have been in communication with Tom at ATS electronics out of North Carolina. They are willing to either repair my 4DTV for 99 dollar labor rate plus parts and shipping or swap it for a Motorola 450i analog receiver....Does anyone have imput on this receiver?? I have been told that it was a top of a line analog receiver back in its hay-days.....As always my concern is if im making a good investment or not....Since almost nothing is on in analog these days but then again, I dont subscribe to 4dtv service either.....Of course my biggest deal is slaving it to my Fortec star receiver...

I do have two more questions that have nothing to do with Im talkin about....

1st....can anyone be able to see channels (canal de las estrellas, 4TV, Galavision Mexico and Canal 5) from SatMex 5 116.8W 3940H tp12 29270 SR since Lyngsat claims that they are free to air??

2nd....can you install a BSC621C- LNBF on a 8.5 old mesh dish?? I was also thinkin of upgrading but dont know if LNB and LNBF are the same thing or can I only replace the c and ku band LNB seperately.....What I like about the BSC621 is the price and quality of the LNBF but dont know if it will work for me.....

I appreciate everyones reply on this, it is good to see that there are people out there that still care about the old dish.....

1. No. That MUX is Megapipe. Requires a commercial receiver which you probably will not get authorized and even after that word from those that have the capability is that the MUX is not clear but in fact encrypted. On top of that you are talking about getting rid of the type (Digital DCII) of receiver you would need although the 4DTV receiver will not do Megapipe.

2. I have the BSC lnbf installed on a 8.5' dish with no problems. You really need to decide what you are doing with the receiver before you move forward with any lnb changes. 4DTV receivers do not play well with UNI lnbf's. No sub explains why you are not getting any of the listed free DCII channels (digital). Requires a sub to at least one channel that is digital.

Do you currently have a corotor II with C and Ku lnb's that you are thinking about swapping out for a BSC621? If so I will buy you the lnbf and send me the feedhorn w/servo motor and lnbs in exchange.

On a side note. Just because it might have been the best in it's day those days are almost completely gone. What kind of a receiver would that make it now? Of course you are potentially swapping a non functional receiver for it.

[bali]

hey KINGBICHO my BSC621C LNBF on a 8.5 old mesh dish works great too !!

with my old feed horn and lnb i slaved my pansat 2500 off my startrak 6 analog receiver. now its the other way around, with the startrak still moving my dish for me. i still hunt around for analog stuff

i am planning on adding a