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The ones at 12188 are DVB,which is mpeg2,but they are listed as scrambled. The 11800 H are listed as DC11 and mpeg2 receivers will not pick those up.You need a 4DTV to get those.Some people have reported picking up the free DC11 with other types of DC11 receivers that have been authorized before.I have a dsr410 that can pick up the music mux listed there in the clear,but I can't get anything with it off of any other satellite.
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